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Old July 1st 03, 09:45 PM
Aaron Daniel
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"Robert Chung" wrote in message
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Top poster "Aaron Daniel" wrote in message
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I don't see that information being put forth. If you have information to
counter what I've put forth please do.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but since your understanding in this

area
is stretched thin how would you know?

FWIW, contributors to this thread have included: 1) a widely-published PhD
in exercise physiology who specializes in time trials, has studied elite
cyclists and their performances, and is probably working on what will be
*the* book on cycling power; 2) a guy who has held the US championship
jersey in the pursuit (and not just once); and 3) a guy who's been in

about
600 races. (There are others in this thread whose experiences are
considerable -- it's just that I don't know their bona fides off the top

of
my head). If you think that good and accurate information hasn't been put
forth in this thread, then I'd suggest you reconsider.



If you look back about 7 years you will notice that I was a frequent poster
to rec.bicycles.racing. While that does not make me an expert in the world
of cycling my small background in cycling does allow me some insight into
the sport.

I have about 7 years of experience riding with more than a few Cat 3 and 2
racers as well as a few similarly qualified triathletes. I have also been a
training partner to some as they have crossed over into the opposite
discipline. During that time I sought information about what physiological
results those guys were going through as the triathletes started doing
interval training and road races and as the road racers started aerobic
threshold training.

What we found at that time was that maximum aerobic capacity does not equate
to maximum lactate processing capability or ability to work in an anaerobic
state for extended time periods. In our reading and our training we found
that the triathletes were extremely capabale of maintaining an extremely
high heart rate for an extremely long period of time (extremely high aerobic
capacity). On the other hand they were unable to maintain a heart rate just
a few beats higher for very long at all (not much anaerobic capacity).
Further they required a relatively long period at a low heart rate before
they could retrun to their maximum aerobic heart rate (not much ability to
process lactate).

On the other hand we found that the road racers were incredibly good at
extended anaerobic stints (near maximum heart rate) and required little time
slightly below their aerobic threshold heart rate to be able to do the same
thing all over again. At the same time these road racers were not able to
maintain the same steady state speed or heart rates as the triathletes.

Through event specific training some of these athletes were able to
transform their capabilities. Thus some triathletes were able to increase
their ability to sprint, attack, accelerate out of corners, etc. When they
trained to gain those abilities (with no mileage reduction) they lost some
of their aerobic capacity as measured by the ability to maintain their
former aerobic threshold heart rate for extended periods of time. At the
same time the road racers who trained at a steady state (lactate threshold
heart rate) lost their ability to easily reach a heart rate near their
maximum and recover from those efforts.

These athletes were also able to go back to training for their "original"
sports and be able to regian the event specific capabilities they had
trained themselves out of.

When trained to a state characteristic of a road racer above we all referred
to each other as "strong" because of our ability to sprint, attack, climb,
etc and when cross-training in the gym we were able to move the most weight.
When our training had us most mirroring the triathlete as depicted above we
referred to ourselves as "aerobic monsters" since were able to do long
steady stae workouts on the road and in the gym but maximal efforts were
extremely short lived. Since some cyclists (like Miguel Indurain, Lance,
Sean Kelly, Johan Museeuw, etc) were rather frequently referred to as
"strong" in VeloNews, Winning, CycleSport, etc articles and by Phil Liggett
I assumed you may have a point of reference there.

Anyway, I am no research physiologist, the documentation I read on the topic
was written to a layperson level and my experience with it was long ago.
However, I do believe that the same training specificity remains today. As a
matter of fact I believe I read an article within the past three years in
which Chris Carmichael stated that Lance's VO2Max is reached in the off
season and that it falls slightly as he peaks for the Tour. They do this on
purpose to ensure that Lance has the anaerobic capacity to respond to
attacks and accelerate out of corners during technical time trials.

It is from the knowledge above that I drew my previous posts. Anyway, I
apologize if I caused this thread to devolve into a "turf war" or a name
calling session. It was not intended.

Aar


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Old July 1st 03, 10:29 PM
John Forrest Tomlinson
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"Aaron Daniel" wrote in message
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I have about 7 years of experience
riding with more than a few Cat 3 and 2
racers as well as a few similarly qualified
triathletes.


Wow.

JT

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Old July 2nd 03, 12:04 AM
Dave Stallard
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"scottabe" wrote in message
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I'm more than happy to discuss newsgroup etiquette. For example, this

vile
liar has smeared me on several occasions, alleging that I was a threat to
her. No matter that I've NEVER been in her state, I live three thousand
miles away, and I never threatened her in anyway, unless exposing her as a
vicious, unprincipled liar is a threat.
Let's discuss Mary Malmros's participation in an ongoing criminal

conspiracy
that has threatened MY life, committed scores of felonies, and smeared me
with the grossest defamations.
Fair enough?


OK, let's hear it. Scores of felonies?


Hell yeah, Whitey Bulger has nothing on Mary Malmros. Better watch out
for her, or you'll wind up in a landfill.

Dave
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Old July 2nd 03, 12:12 AM
Dave Stallard
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David Off wrote:

Yeah, it has to be Lance again but this may be the last one. The big
guys always crack eventually, and when the fall it is usually pretty
devastating.


Like Indurain. Everyone thought he was going to win a 6th TdF, and they
had even set up the route for him so as to run part way through Spain,
almost as a tribute, or so I've read. He seemed invincible. But as we
know, he came completely apart, wound up in 10th place, and retired from
the sport that year. Right now, I'm betting that Lance will avoid that
fate, and go on to win 6 Tours, and then retire. But who knows? It's
got to take its toll, physically, mentally, and personally.

Dave
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Old July 2nd 03, 12:50 AM
Kurgan Gringioni
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"Aaron Daniel" wrote in message
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If you look back about 7 years you will notice that I was a frequent

poster
to rec.bicycles.racing. While that does not make me an expert in the world
of cycling



Damn right about that.


my small background in cycling does allow me some insight into
the sport.



really.


It is from the knowledge above that I drew my previous posts. Anyway, I
apologize if I caused this thread to devolve into a "turf war" or a name
calling session. It was not intended.



It's more fun when there's name calling (and skiers lecturing cyclists about
cycling). Good clean fun.


cheers, dumbass.


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Old July 2nd 03, 12:50 AM
Kurgan Gringioni
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
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"Aaron Daniel" wrote in message
news:iinMa.122338
I have about 7 years of experience
riding with more than a few Cat 3 and 2
racers as well as a few similarly qualified
triathletes.


Wow.




No ****.

I got on my knees and genuflected after reading that.


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Old July 2nd 03, 01:55 AM
Stewart Fleming
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

I got on my knees and genuflected after reading that.


Practising for heather already are you?

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Old July 2nd 03, 02:11 AM
Mary Malmros
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Dave Stallard writes:

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"scottabe" wrote in message
...

I'm more than happy to discuss newsgroup etiquette. For example, this

vile
liar has smeared me on several occasions, alleging that I was a threat to
her. No matter that I've NEVER been in her state, I live three thousand
miles away, and I never threatened her in anyway, unless exposing her as a
vicious, unprincipled liar is a threat.
Let's discuss Mary Malmros's participation in an ongoing criminal

conspiracy
that has threatened MY life, committed scores of felonies, and smeared me
with the grossest defamations.
Fair enough?


OK, let's hear it. Scores of felonies?


Hell yeah, Whitey Bulger has nothing on Mary Malmros. Better watch out
for her, or you'll wind up in a landfill.


I am Whitey Bulger's chief subcontractor. The pay is good, the work
is messy, the hours really suck, and you don't get to bring any
stories home from the office.

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