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French Protectionism
I see the issue of French Protectionism for the ESF raises its ugly head
once again http://www.planetski.eu/news/4683 "A court in France has ruled that British Tour companies are not allowed to use ski hosts to show clients round the slopes. It believes skier safety is compromsied. It is a test case and all ski hosting in France is now banned." -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark \__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, " || _`\,_ |__\ \ | caving, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" http://www.antibody.me.uk/ |
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French Protectionism
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:15:56 GMT, Mike Clark
wrote: I see the issue of French Protectionism for the ESF raises its ugly head once again http://www.planetski.eu/news/4683 "A court in France has ruled that British Tour companies are not allowed to use ski hosts to show clients round the slopes. It believes skier safety is compromsied. It is a test case and all ski hosting in France is now banned." Hadn't seen that new result yet. We (Ski Club) were part of the earlier proceedings, as one of our leaders was also stopped and asked in for questioning at the same time as the incident that sparked this. In our case no further action was taken, presumably on the basis that no financial remuneration takes place for our volunteer leaders. Even so, we've changed our expenses system to ensure that (the very low) allowances are only paid after the event and on presentation of receipts. As it happens, I have some sympathies with the French on this. I have seen, and skied with, unqualified ski hosts, and while mostly they do a reasonable job, some of them are frankly a menace. I recall one, from some years ago, whose idea of leading was - "we're going down here, see you at the bottom". I don't agree that they need to be qulified ski instructors, particularly with the France-only rulng about having to do the 'test technique' to teach, but maybe something on a level with the BASI level one course (which is itself a lower standard than the Ski Club leaders training, for example) could be established... -- Ace Ski Club of Great Britain http://www.skiclub.co.uk/ All opinions expressed are those of the poster and in no way reflect those of the Ski Club or its members |
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Ace wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:15:56 GMT, Mike Clark wrote: I see the issue of French Protectionism for the ESF raises its ugly head once again http://www.planetski.eu/news/4683 "A court in France has ruled that British Tour companies are not allowed to use ski hosts to show clients round the slopes. It believes skier safety is compromsied. It is a test case and all ski hosting in France is now banned." Hadn't seen that new result yet. We (Ski Club) were part of the earlier proceedings, as one of our leaders was also stopped and asked in for questioning at the same time as the incident that sparked this. In our case no further action was taken, presumably on the basis that no financial remuneration takes place for our volunteer leaders. Even so, we've changed our expenses system to ensure that (the very low) allowances are only paid after the event and on presentation of receipts. It looks like they were after a single case to use as a test case. At present the Ski Club might be OK but I wonder how long before the authorities do look to see if they can come up with a trumped up charge. As it happens, I have some sympathies with the French on this. I have seen, and skied with, unqualified ski hosts, and while mostly they do a reasonable job, some of them are frankly a menace. I recall one, from some years ago, whose idea of leading was - "we're going down here, see you at the bottom". Funnily enough I've had a similar experience in an ESF ski class where the instructor decided that only those who could keep up with him were going to get any instruction. I don't agree that they need to be qulified ski instructors, particularly with the France-only rulng about having to do the 'test technique' to teach, but maybe something on a level with the BASI level one course (which is itself a lower standard than the Ski Club leaders training, for example) could be established... The problem with the French selection system for ESF has always been that they put too much emphasis on the speed and technique of the instructors skiing and not enough emphasis on their ability to teach or empathise with their students. In my early years of skiing I had some aweful experiences with ESF instructors and it wasn't until I started taking lessons with some of the international ski schools that things improved. Mike -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark \__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, " || _`\,_ |__\ \ | caving, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" http://www.antibody.me.uk/ |
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French Protectionism
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:05:19 GMT, Mike Clark
wrote: In message Ace wrote: In our case no further action was taken, presumably on the basis that no financial remuneration takes place for our volunteer leaders. Even so, we've changed our expenses system to ensure that (the very low) allowances are only paid after the event and on presentation of receipts. It looks like they were after a single case to use as a test case. At present the Ski Club might be OK but I wonder how long before the authorities do look to see if they can come up with a trumped up charge. The club will be monitoring the situation carefully. As it happens, I have some sympathies with the French on this. I have seen, and skied with, unqualified ski hosts, and while mostly they do a reasonable job, some of them are frankly a menace. I recall one, from some years ago, whose idea of leading was - "we're going down here, see you at the bottom". Funnily enough I've had a similar experience in an ESF ski class where the instructor decided that only those who could keep up with him were going to get any instruction. Yes, it happens. The Swiss school here (in Engelberg, where I work part-time as an instructor, BASI L2, for the smaller independent skischool) has a few who really don't seem to give a toss. The problem with the French selection system for ESF has always been that they put too much emphasis on the speed and technique of the instructors skiing and not enough emphasis on their ability to teach or empathise with their students. In my early years of skiing I had some aweful experiences with ESF instructors and it wasn't until I started taking lessons with some of the international ski schools that things improved. Quite. TBF I think the national/franchise schools have been improving as well, but certainly in many places only as a result of competition from newbies like us. -- Ace Ski Club of Great Britain http://www.skiclub.co.uk/ All opinions expressed are those of the poster and in no way reflect those of the Ski Club or its members |
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French Protectionism
Mike Clark wrote:
I see the issue of French Protectionism for the ESF raises its ugly head once again http://www.planetski.eu/news/4683 "A court in France has ruled that British Tour companies are not allowed to use ski hosts to show clients round the slopes. It believes skier safety is compromsied. It is a test case and all ski hosting in France is now banned." Yeah, saw that in the Times, and had an email today from my tour operator saying they can't show us around the resort next week. -- Honda CB400 Four x3 Triumph Street Triple Ducati 800SS BMW K100RS Yamaha 660 Tenere Suzuki GN250, TS250ER x3 So many bikes, so little garage space.... chateau dot murray at idnet dot com |
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French Protectionism
On 20/02/2013 18:06, The Older Gentleman wrote:
Mike Clark wrote: I see the issue of French Protectionism for the ESF raises its ugly head once again http://www.planetski.eu/news/4683 "A court in France has ruled that British Tour companies are not allowed to use ski hosts to show clients round the slopes. It believes skier safety is compromsied. It is a test case and all ski hosting in France is now banned." Yeah, saw that in the Times, and had an email today from my tour operator saying they can't show us around the resort next week. The subject has just been covered by 'You and Your's on Radio4 12:00 today. -- Michael Chare |
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