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how long is you kick zone???
I think my kick zone is too long. Seems as though a large portion of
my ski is kick zone !!! A long kick zone means MORE drag right -- less glide area ... ?? 27.5 inches (70 cm) for powder conditions, 18 inches (46cm) for klister on a 200cm ski. How long is yours ?? Is this a disproportionate amount on my ski ?? I had it professionally measured when I purchased the skis and the person doing it is an accomplished racer and ski guy.... but, i'm still wondering.... anyone else care to measure theirs ??? JKal. |
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how long is you kick zone???
Are you measuring to the hard wax/track or powder point? My favorite
pairs are 55-56cm, while another ski pair 6cm longer is around 47cm. I've read where top skiers like 54 to 60 cm for a hard track ski, but preference, ski construction and what the ski will be used for also play a role. rm 32 Degrees B wrote: I think my kick zone is too long. Seems as though a large portion of my ski is kick zone !!! A long kick zone means MORE drag right -- less glide area ... ?? 27.5 inches (70 cm) for powder conditions, 18 inches (46cm) for klister on a 200cm ski. How long is yours ?? Is this a disproportionate amount on my ski ?? I had it professionally measured when I purchased the skis and the person doing it is an accomplished racer and ski guy.... but, i'm still wondering.... anyone else care to measure theirs ??? JKal. |
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how long is you kick zone???
When my local ski shop guy measured them he said that the longer zone
(70cm=27.5 inches) is for "powder conditions, softer track" and the shorter zone (46cm=18inches) is for klister. So, generally if the track is really soft I'll go all 70cm. If its medium/hard track with good well packed powder I'll go 60cm or so, and on down to the short klister zone. So if you are reading that the top skiers are 54-60cm maybe i'm just a bit on the long side of a zone ... JKal. On Mar 18, 1:03*pm, wrote: Are you measuring to the hard wax/track or powder point? *My favorite pairs are 55-56cm, while another ski pair 6cm longer is around 47cm. I've read where top skiers like 54 to 60 cm for a hard track ski, but preference, ski construction and what the ski will be used for also play a role. * rm 32 Degrees B wrote: I think my kick zone is too long. *Seems as though a large portion of my ski is kick zone !!! A long kick zone means MORE drag right -- less glide area ... ?? 27.5 inches (70 cm) *for powder conditions, 18 inches (46cm) for klister on a 200cm ski. How long is yours ?? Is this a disproportionate amount on my ski ?? *I had it professionally measured when I purchased the skis and the person doing it is an accomplished racer and ski guy.... but, i'm still wondering.... anyone else care to measure theirs ??? JKal.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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how long is you kick zone???
My understanding is how much extra for powder (or klister) has to do in
part with the construction the ski brand uses and and in part the particular ski's flex profile. Which brand? The hard track to P distance varies a lot on my skis, as does the difference between klister and hard track. I got that 54 to 60 from the Swix site and from posts or articles from some of the top wax techs, talking about the typical WC ski. Given what they climb, a softer ski with longer kick zone makes a lot of sense. For what us mortals deal with, and have to deal with it, it probably does too. I assume you know that waxing long and looking at wear will give an accurate picture of your hard track zone. rm 32 Degrees B wrote: When my local ski shop guy measured them he said that the longer zone (70cm=27.5 inches) is for "powder conditions, softer track" and the shorter zone (46cm=18inches) is for klister. So, generally if the track is really soft I'll go all 70cm. If its medium/hard track with good well packed powder I'll go 60cm or so, and on down to the short klister zone. So if you are reading that the top skiers are 54-60cm maybe i'm just a bit on the long side of a zone ... JKal. On Mar 18, 1:03*pm, wrote: Are you measuring to the hard wax/track or powder point? *My favorite pairs are 55-56cm, while another ski pair 6cm longer is around 47cm. I've read where top skiers like 54 to 60 cm for a hard track ski, but preference, ski construction and what the ski will be used for also play a role. * rm 32 Degrees B wrote: I think my kick zone is too long. *Seems as though a large portion of my ski is kick zone !!! A long kick zone means MORE drag right -- less glide area ... ?? 27.5 inches (70 cm) *for powder conditions, 18 inches (46cm) for klister on a 200cm ski. How long is yours ?? Is this a disproportionate amount on my ski ?? *I had it professionally measured when I purchased the skis and the person doing it is an accomplished racer and ski guy.... but, i'm still wondering.... anyone else care to measure theirs ??? JKal.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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how long is you kick zone???
I have a pair of Fischer RCS 202 cm classic cold, medium stiffness,
and my wax zone is 48 cm (19 in.) and klister zone, 40 cm (16 in.). A small kick zone indeed. I weight 152 lbs which is in the lower range for the medium stiffness. I like to have good glide and thus prefer to work more on my striding technique to get good kick than to loose speed because of a kick zone waxed too long. And I must say I am never disappointed of the ski glide. It happens with my classic skis that oftenly I am faster going down hills (in the tracks) than skaters who also use tracks. One consequence I noticed over time is that I must wax with a somewhat warmer kick wax (1-2 °C warmer than other skiers around). My 2c RO |
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how long is you kick zone???
dang, that's one short kick zone - i bet those ARE fast skis !!
JKal. wrote in message ... I have a pair of Fischer RCS 202 cm classic cold, medium stiffness, and my wax zone is 48 cm (19 in.) and klister zone, 40 cm (16 in.). A small kick zone indeed. I weight 152 lbs which is in the lower range for the medium stiffness. I like to have good glide and thus prefer to work more on my striding technique to get good kick than to loose speed because of a kick zone waxed too long. And I must say I am never disappointed of the ski glide. It happens with my classic skis that oftenly I am faster going down hills (in the tracks) than skaters who also use tracks. One consequence I noticed over time is that I must wax with a somewhat warmer kick wax (1-2 °C warmer than other skiers around). My 2c RO |
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how long is you kick zone???
On Mar 18, 10:01*am, 32 Degrees B wrote:
I think my kick zone is too long. *Seems as though a large portion of my ski is kick zone !!! A long kick zone means MORE drag right -- less glide area ... ?? 27.5 inches (70 cm) *for powder conditions, 18 inches (46cm) for klister on a 200cm ski. How long is yours ?? Is this a disproportionate amount on my ski ?? *I had it professionally measured when I purchased the skis and the person doing it is an accomplished racer and ski guy.... but, i'm still wondering.... anyone else care to measure theirs ??? JKal. Well, on my 4 to 5 yr old 200cm Fischer classic cold skis, my usual kick wax zone is at one of the factory marks or 24"; the little-used klister zone is at about 20". The factory-marked hard wax zone is one mark longer than I use, i.e., about another 1-1/2". One would assume you are heavier than I (c. 160 lb) or on a somewhat stiffer ski. In my experience unless you buy your skis as soon as your shop gets their supply, or they get a huge number of skis in each length and camber, you have to take what fits you from what is available. Long kick zone shouldn't necessarily mean more drag because you should not be compressing that area of the ski when gliding; it does mean you have a shorter glide zone and the experts can tell us if that slows you down. (I've been told that longer skis are generally faster than shorter ones.) BTW, we had fabulous international lake skiiing this past weekend - still lots of snow but repeated thaw-freeze has made the crust thick enough to support either skating or classic. Burgess |
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how long is you kick zone???
"polarpoler" wrote in message ... On Mar 18, 10:01 am, 32 Degrees B wrote: I think my kick zone is too long. Seems as though a large portion of my ski is kick zone !!! A long kick zone means MORE drag right -- less glide area ... ?? 27.5 inches (70 cm) for powder conditions, 18 inches (46cm) for klister on a 200cm ski. How long is yours ?? Is this a disproportionate amount on my ski ?? I had it professionally measured when I purchased the skis and the person doing it is an accomplished racer and ski guy.... but, i'm still wondering.... anyone else care to measure theirs ??? JKal. Well, on my 4 to 5 yr old 200cm Fischer classic cold skis, my usual kick wax zone is at one of the factory marks or 24"; the little-used klister zone is at about 20". The factory-marked hard wax zone is one mark longer than I use, i.e., about another 1-1/2". One would assume you are heavier than I (c. 160 lb) or on a somewhat stiffer ski. In my experience unless you buy your skis as soon as your shop gets their supply, or they get a huge number of skis in each length and camber, you have to take what fits you from what is available. Long kick zone shouldn't necessarily mean more drag because you should not be compressing that area of the ski when gliding; it does mean you have a shorter glide zone and the experts can tell us if that slows you down. (I've been told that longer skis are generally faster than shorter ones.) BTW, we had fabulous international lake skiiing this past weekend - still lots of snow but repeated thaw-freeze has made the crust thick enough to support either skating or classic. Burgess Here's a stupid question, and I know I should know this already, but how did you guys determine your klister zones? I know about the "paper test" for figuring out your basic hard wax zone; is there a different test for klister (or a basic formula)? -Jeff |
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how long is you kick zone???
On Mar 18, 8:01*am, 32 Degrees B wrote:
I think my kick zone is too long. *Seems as though a large portion of my ski is kick zone !!! A long kick zone means MORE drag right -- less glide area ... ?? 27.5 inches (70 cm) *for powder conditions, 18 inches (46cm) for klister on a 200cm ski. How long is yours ?? Is this a disproportionate amount on my ski ?? *I had it professionally measured when I purchased the skis and the person doing it is an accomplished racer and ski guy.... but, i'm still wondering.... anyone else care to measure theirs ??? JKal. My Atomic WCC Cold skis grip zone with camber height at half weight: 0.1mm marks: 32 cm forward of binding to 32 cm back (right ski); 36 cm forward to 21 cm back (left ski) Waxing to the back of my 27 cm boot, my grip zone is about 60 cm for my powder skis. My Atomic WCC Warm (Klister ski) grip zone with camber at half weight: 0.3mm marks: 24 cm forward of binding to 25 cm back (right ski); 25 cm forward to 22 back (left ski) Average klister grip zone about 49 cm Note that the 0.1 mm camber at half-weight point is about 35 to 36 cm forward of the binding pin. Atomic WCC Multi (Zero ski with special grip zone): 33.5 cm forward of binding pin to 26 cm back of binding pin, total 59.5 cm grip zone. I didn't get the half-weight camber points, but since the grip zone is permanent, there's nothing I can do about it other than to not sand the extremes. Edgar |
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