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Old July 31st 08, 12:48 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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question; Is Billy Demong fast enough to ski on a relay team with the other
US guys in a straight up nordic relay 4x10k ?

Freeman, Koos, Demong, Newell - sounds like a tough team to me.


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Old July 31st 08, 01:28 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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That's actually a weak team. Newell and Koos are sprinters who haven't
done well at distances beyond that. It is a good question I wonder
about too, what the relative (skate) speeds are on the nordic combined
circuit vs the cross-country one. Maybe Terje or one of the other
Europeans has some info on this.

Gene


"Jeff and Stephanie Kalember" wrote:

question; Is Billy Demong fast enough to ski on a relay team with the other
US guys in a straight up nordic relay 4x10k ?

Freeman, Koos, Demong, Newell - sounds like a tough team to me.


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Old July 31st 08, 01:49 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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ahhhhhhhhhh gene, come on now ... sprinters HAVE made the jump up to 10k
!! - Zorzi, Svartedal, etc ...

I'm just thinking Koos and Newell have been at or near the top, they CAN do
it for 10k in the right race. Like Zorzi drafting off Alsgaard for 10k then
trying (unsuccessfully) to outsprint him.

how about Demong though? why have they never even tried him? is he not close
at all? The norwegians do it with their biathlon guys....


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Old July 31st 08, 03:57 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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My recollection is that early sprinting was not particularly
specialized. Skiers with good distance results who were also known
for their finishing sprint abilities, such as Zorzi and Svartedal,
could be said to have made the jump in the other direction. But many of
them, including those two, continued doing distance races with decent
WC results or better. That can't be said at all of the U.S.
sprinters. My sense is that as sprinting has become more specialized,
so have the natural abilities and training of more of the athletes
chosen for it (Bjoern Lind comes to mind).

I was hoping to find a 4x10 relay result from last season, but all I
can find is that Newell came in 72nd at Davos in early December and
27th at the nationals a month later, both in 15K classic. He was 6th in
the 15K skate at nationals in March. I think he mentioned on his blog
how he hadn't trained for distances and wanted to work on that, if for
no other reason than to improve his endurance for long sprint days.
Koos was well back in the 10K classic at spring nationals, but did come
in a close second to Babikov in the 50k classic. In Europe he stuck to
sprints. As for Demong, it's interesting that the crossover idea hasn't
come up publicly. I wonder if it's just a matter of his preference, or
if there aren't some major logistic if not coaching, organizational or
political questions at play.

Gene


"Jeff and Stephanie Kalember" wrote:

ahhhhhhhhhh gene, come on now ... sprinters HAVE made the jump up to 10k
!! - Zorzi, Svartedal, etc ...

I'm just thinking Koos and Newell have been at or near the top, they CAN do
it for 10k in the right race. Like Zorzi drafting off Alsgaard for 10k then
trying (unsuccessfully) to outsprint him.

how about Demong though? why have they never even tried him? is he not close
at all? The norwegians do it with their biathlon guys....


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Old July 31st 08, 04:27 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Political? maybe you're on to something.
I just look at all the hours and time Newell and Koos spend on skis
and I can't believe they can't crank out a world class 10k.
these guys put in some MAJOR hours.
basically they're doing a one MILE sprint, over and over through
prelims, semi's finals. Its not like a 100m dash.
I think they can pull off a great 10k ... sometime, somewhere...
JKal.

On Jul 30, 11:57*pm, wrote:
My recollection is that early sprinting was not particularly
specialized. *Skiers with good distance results who were also known
for their finishing sprint abilities, such as Zorzi and Svartedal,
could be said to have made the jump in the other direction. *But many of
them, including those two, continued doing distance races with decent
WC results or better. *That can't be said at all of the U.S.
sprinters. *My sense is that as sprinting has become more specialized,
so have the natural abilities and training of more of the athletes
chosen for it (Bjoern Lind comes to mind).

I was hoping to find a 4x10 relay result from last season, but all I
can find is that Newell came in 72nd at Davos in early December and
27th at the nationals a month later, both in 15K classic. He was 6th in
the 15K skate at nationals in March. *I think he mentioned on his blog
how he hadn't trained for distances and wanted to work on that, if for
no other reason than to improve his endurance for long sprint days.
Koos was well back in the 10K classic at spring nationals, but did come
in a close second to Babikov in the 50k classic. *In Europe he stuck to
sprints. As for Demong, it's interesting that the crossover idea hasn't
come up publicly. *I wonder if it's just a matter of his preference, or
if there aren't some major logistic if not coaching, organizational or
political questions at play. *

Gene

"Jeff and Stephanie Kalember" wrote:



ahhhhhhhhhh gene, come on now ... sprinters HAVE made the jump up to 10k
!! - Zorzi, Svartedal, etc ...


I'm just thinking Koos and Newell have been at or near the top, they CAN do
it for 10k in the right race. *Like Zorzi drafting off Alsgaard for 10k then
trying (unsuccessfully) to outsprint him.


how about Demong though? why have they never even tried him? is he not close
at all? *The norwegians do it with their biathlon guys....- Hide quoted text -


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Old July 31st 08, 02:19 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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any races where Demong has gone head to head with any other USST skiers ??
I seem to remember Billy D. did some spring races this last ski season ...
and did quite well?
JKal.


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Old July 31st 08, 04:01 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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HMMMM ?? Who Terje ?


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HMMMM ?? Who Terje ?
Had Billy been totally trashed in NC due to bad jumping, this might have come up before. FAct, he's battling for podiums at the highest level of his sport.

There is the Biathlon thing indeed...

Semi-related : Carolina Kluft has decided to quit heptathlon, and is representing Sweden in Beijing on long jumpo and triple jump (the latter totally new to her). She is the best heptathlete ever.

From indoor testing, the US ski team probably knows really well what Billy's numbers are compared to the XC-onlies. Billy being as good as he is, that should translate decently into predictable snow times. It's not like they're being tested when running or cycling, Billy can inline and rollerski like no-one's business and I think is tested in the same way as the XC team.
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Old August 20th 08, 06:07 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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On 31 heinä, 16:12, Terje Mathisen
wrote:


You should remember this!

There's been just one _really_ fast skier on the NC circuit, he went on
to become (ski) coach for the US team.

He did quite well on his leg of the national xc relay championship.

So, what's the name I'm thinking of?



Jennifer? Lene Alexandra?:-)

The NA readers would appear to be - no big surprise here - somewhat,
eh, ahistorical - or are they just too lazy to answer your little
quiz? Anyway, the name you're thinking of is that of Trond Einar's big
brother, but unfortunately it seems to be there is a hole in the chunk
of cheese that is my brain and I'm too lazy to look it up in
Wikipedia...

BTW *how* well did he do in the NOR relays?

FWIW the now retired Hannu Manninen - who wasn't the only fast skier
in the past fifteen years but certainly one of the very fastest in the
combined and on his best days the truly dominantly fast skier - did
reasonably well on a couple of occasions, but usually it was either on
a non-decisive leg or in the absence of a direct fight between him and
a top specialist. (OTOH he was good enough to battle with the best
nationally and internationally in the specialist sprints - but that
was perhaps before the true sprint specialists had emerged and anyway
a relay leg is a very different animal.)


Anders (who is eagerly looking forward to next spring and the opening
of a 1.3 km XC "ski tunnel" a jogging distance away from his home )

 




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