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Pet Peeve
There is a certain breed of skier who insists on taking trails many
levels above his ability. There is nothing wrong with pushing the envelope; that's how you get better. But hacking one's way down an advanced trail simply to brag that you "ski blacks" helps nobody. I'm not talking about wide radius turns on a steep hill, I'm talking about TRAVERSING the trail from left to right on skies or skidding it on a snowboard. These people help make the trail interesting but in the end, they are an annoyance. My two cents: master the greens before you move to the blues. Then master the blues before you move to the blacks, etc. Jeff (From the Department of Redunancy Department, please note: I'm not ripping anybody for taking wide radius turns.) |
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Jeff wrote:
There is a certain breed of skier who insists on taking trails many levels above his ability. There is nothing wrong with pushing the envelope; that's how you get better. But hacking one's way down an advanced trail simply to brag that you "ski blacks" helps nobody. I'm not talking about wide radius turns on a steep hill, I'm talking about TRAVERSING the trail from left to right on skies or skidding it on a snowboard. These people help make the trail interesting but in the end, they are an annoyance. My two cents: master the greens before you move to the blues. Then master the blues before you move to the blacks, etc. Jeff (From the Department of Redunancy Department, please note: I'm not ripping anybody for taking wide radius turns.) I'll go with you on this one to a point. I think the beginner/low intermediate on Outer Limits (Killington) is both stupid and laughable. He is putting himself and others at risk big time. But someone who skis Cruise Control (Killington) should once in a while attempt Vertigo or the bumped up side of Needles Eye. These can be difficult at times. Needles bumps is a very long bump section but you can bail if you want to. Vertigo is several VERY steep sections separated by relatively flat areas. You can get in trouble but you won't go very far, it a good sobering experience. It's where I take folks that seem to be talking the talk while not really walking the walk. Vertigo is interesting and of interest to you western folks. We had an avalanche on it. The top section is around 45 degrees and the mountain decided to REALLY pound it with snowmaking since we've had a pitiful amount of snow here in the East. The new snow was made on a blue ice base. The snowmaking mound was 5 or 6 feet high. It started to slide, picked up more snow and REALLY slid and stopped a couple of hundred yards down where the trail flattens out again. Neat to see a slide path here in northern New England. Though I've been through the passes in the White Mountains and have seen folks skiing what can only be avalanche chutes there. I think you need to push a little bit to learn. If you push too much you won't learn a thing except maybe how much it hurts to have a tree stop your slide. VtSkier |
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VtSkier wrote:
Jeff wrote: There is a certain breed of skier who insists on taking trails many levels above his ability. There is nothing wrong with pushing the envelope; that's how you get better. But hacking one's way down an advanced trail simply to brag that you "ski blacks" helps nobody. I'm not talking about wide radius turns on a steep hill, I'm talking about TRAVERSING the trail from left to right on skies or skidding it on a snowboard. These people help make the trail interesting but in the end, they are an annoyance. My two cents: master the greens before you move to the blues. Then master the blues before you move to the blacks, etc. Jeff (From the Department of Redunancy Department, please note: I'm not ripping anybody for taking wide radius turns.) I'll go with you on this one to a point. I think the beginner/low intermediate on Outer Limits (Killington) is both stupid and laughable. He is putting himself and others at risk big time. But someone who skis Cruise Control (Killington) should once in a while attempt Vertigo or the bumped up side of Needles Eye. These can be difficult at times. Needles bumps is a very long bump section but you can bail if you want to. Vertigo is several VERY steep sections separated by relatively flat areas. You can get in trouble but you won't go very far, it a good sobering experience. It's where I take folks that seem to be talking the talk while not really walking the walk. Vertigo is interesting and of interest to you western folks. We had an avalanche on it. The top section is around 45 degrees and the mountain decided to REALLY pound it with snowmaking since we've had a pitiful amount of snow here in the East. The new snow was made on a blue ice base. The snowmaking mound was 5 or 6 feet high. It started to slide, picked up more snow and REALLY slid and stopped a couple of hundred yards down where the trail flattens out again. Neat to see a slide path here in northern New England. Though I've been through the passes in the White Mountains and have seen folks skiing what can only be avalanche chutes there. I think you need to push a little bit to learn. If you push too much you won't learn a thing except maybe how much it hurts to have a tree stop your slide. VtSkier I agree. It's absolutely importantant to push the envelope. But if your progress down a steep hill looks more like mountaineering than skiing, then maybe you should reconsider your trail selection. A good rule of thumb, IMO, is this: if you're using *some* of the lessons you've learned, then you're probably on the right hill. If all technique is out the window, then maybe you ought to find another trail. And please, if you're using a snowboard to flatten the mogul field ... Jeff (just venting - it was crowded this weekend) |
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Vertigo is interesting and of interest to you
western folks. We had an avalanche on it. The top section is around 45 degrees and the mountain decided to REALLY pound it with snowmaking since we've had a pitiful amount of snow here in the East. 45 degrees? I hope you meant 45 per cent. Still a funny story. TCS (The Colorado Skier) Colorado Springs - Gateway to Colorado Ski Country |
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TCS wrote:
Vertigo is interesting and of interest to you western folks. We had an avalanche on it. The top section is around 45 degrees and the mountain decided to REALLY pound it with snowmaking since we've had a pitiful amount of snow here in the East. 45 degrees? I hope you meant 45 per cent. Still a funny story. TCS (The Colorado Skier) Colorado Springs - Gateway to Colorado Ski Country No, I meant 45 degrees. It's steep, but short. 45percent is only about 24 degrees, a decent blue trail. VtSkier |
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TCS wrote:
Vertigo is interesting and of interest to you western folks. We had an avalanche on it. The top section is around 45 degrees and the mountain decided to REALLY pound it with snowmaking since we've had a pitiful amount of snow here in the East. 45 degrees? I hope you meant 45 per cent. Still a funny story. TCS (The Colorado Skier) Colorado Springs - Gateway to Colorado Ski Country I can't imagine getting much of an avalanche going on 24 degrees. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:OpLNd.10221$ya6.9978@trndny01... There is a certain breed of skier who insists on taking trails many levels above his ability. "I can get down anything"! How often have you heard that one? ant |
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In article OpLNd.10221$ya6.9978@trndny01, says...
I'm not talking about wide radius turns on a steep hill, I'm talking about TRAVERSING the trail from left to right Dumb question - what's the difference between traversing and wide-radius turns? Just how many times you do it? -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | Hi! Faster: jay at jay dot eff-em | Where are we going? http://www.jay.fm | Why am I in this handbasket? |
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"Jay Levitt" wrote In article OpLNd.10221$ya6.9978@trndny01, says... I'm not talking about wide radius turns on a steep hill, I'm talking about TRAVERSING the trail from left to right Dumb question - what's the difference between traversing and wide-radius turns? Just how many times you do it? In a turn, the legs are always actively turning the ski. In a traverse, you are going straight across the hill, and only when the next turn happens do the feet become active again. ant |
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