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foot2foot wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote in message ... IMO none of this stuff is particularly complicated taken one concept at a time. It begins to get complicated for the learner when concepts have to be combined. Then it begins to make sense as they add miles, especially miles with support from a good teacher. A good teacher in my mind would more properly be called "a facilitator of learning" to emphasize the positive and not be pedantic or authoritarian. We'll never see that usage, but that's my dream of what the word "teacher" will come to mean. This kind of individual has been the best teachers in my life. 'Course I'm a bit anti- authoritarian by nature anyway. How about, you show the student how the mechanics of skiing work, and let *them* decide how they want to use the mechanics, instead of trying to fit the student in some box of a form of turn. Is that free enough? Missed that "facilitator of learning" definition, huh? However, I like the idea of traversing on the uphill ski pinky toe side. Beats traversing on the uphill ski big toe side hands down. The latter sounds real tough, if sustained - might require an additional leg joint to get it to work. On the other hand, it might just be the start of an early weight transference to initiate a turn into the fall line off a traverse. |
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foot2foot wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote in message ... bdubya wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:30:31 -0700, "foot2foot" wrote: Crossover is extension at the moment of edge change. Crossunder is retraction/flexion at the moment of edge change. So is it then fair to say that one must be either crossed over OR crossed under in order to turn? bw (PS- the brevity of your post was admirable.) I also commented on this but don't remember any replies (not that there weren't any, I just don't remember). Thinking about what foot is saying above "feels" like what I described. I said Crossover what what you did when initiating a turn from a traverse. In fact extension is what I'm doing at that time. I said Crossunder was what you did when you linked turns near the fall line. I would be retracting during at edge change at that time. You could extend or retract to make linked turns near the fall line. Either way would work. People can and do. Actually no, you wouldn't BE crossed over or crossed under in order to turn, you would be crossing over or crossing under in order to turn. Process rather than static position. But, once you had crossed over or under, you would *be* crossed *over*. Unless you have some other term for it, this is what crossover has meant for many decades now. To split hairs, you would need to cross over in order to initiate a turn (process) but after the turn has been initiated and you are turning, you would be in a crossed over position (static as far as upper body is concerned). Said another way, you need to cross over (under) to initiate a turn and once the turn has begun your upper body is inside the turn, the purpose of crossing over is to get your body to the inside of the turn. |
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"lal_truckee" wrote in message
. .. foot2foot wrote: "VtSkier" wrote in message ... IMO none of this stuff is particularly complicated taken one concept at a time. It begins to get complicated for the learner when concepts have to be combined. Then it begins to make sense as they add miles, especially miles with support from a good teacher. A good teacher in my mind would more properly be called "a facilitator of learning" to emphasize the positive and not be pedantic or authoritarian. We'll never see that usage, but that's my dream of what the word "teacher" will come to mean. This kind of individual has been the best teachers in my life. 'Course I'm a bit anti- authoritarian by nature anyway. How about, you show the student how the mechanics of skiing work, and let *them* decide how they want to use the mechanics, instead of trying to fit the student in some box of a form of turn. Is that free enough? Missed that "facilitator of learning" definition, huh? If it were to be a little more clearly defined, maybe so, but probably not. Why would you let someone stumble around for days, or months or years learning to ski by letting them just "discover" how it works, when you could just tell them how the ski works in a few minutes here and there? However, I like the idea of traversing on the uphill ski pinky toe side. Beats traversing on the uphill ski big toe side hands down. The latter sounds real tough, if sustained - might require an additional leg joint to get it to work. It helps everything. The pinky edge traverse that is. On the other hand, it might just be the start of an early weight transference to initiate a turn into the fall line off a traverse. After which you'd have two choices. Crossover or fall. What about the definition I started off the thread with? Yes or no? |
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foot2foot wrote:
"bdubya" wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:30:31 -0700, "foot2foot" wrote: Crossover is extension at the moment of edge change. Crossunder is retraction/flexion at the moment of edge change. So is it then fair to say that one must be either crossed over OR crossed under in order to turn? bw (PS- the brevity of your post was admirable.) Thank you. Yes no question. To turn right, your body simply *must* be on the right side of the skis, however slight or extreme. And also vice versa. Please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, stop oversimplifying -- Chris *:-) You canna change the laws of physics Foot |
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![]() "MoonMan" wrote in message Please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, stop oversimplifying -- Chris *:-) You canna change the laws of physics Foot Your body *has* to be on the inside of the turn. How else can it be *when* you're turning? Besides, what we need to do more than anything else on earth or in ski land, *is* to keep it simple because it is. What's with the lame Scottish stuff? |
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foot2foot wrote:
"MoonMan" wrote in message Please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, stop oversimplifying -- Chris *:-) You canna change the laws of physics Foot Your body *has* to be on the inside of the turn. How else can it be *when* you're turning? Besides, what we need to do more than anything else on earth or in ski land, *is* to keep it simple because it is. What's with the lame Scottish stuff? Star Trek reference. |
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foot2foot wrote:
"MoonMan" wrote in message Please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, stop oversimplifying You canna change the laws of physics Foot Your body *has* to be on the inside of the turn. How else can it be *when* you're turning? Actually, the platform under you, on the snow, is turning. You have to be on the platform. ant |
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VtSkier wrote:
foot2foot wrote: "VtSkier" wrote in message ... VtSkier wrote: Uphill/downhill is a reference that I probably wouldn't get into except to say "go downhill" until the student got onto terrain where it becomes important. By that time, I think, the student would have the inside/outside concept pretty well internalized. Yea, you need it to talk about a traverse. It's still not that complicated. Most of the weight on the downhill ski when you traverse. Not really, in traverse, press the uphill ski, the traverse turns (changing direction, or slipping) downhill, and more pressure on downhill ski, the traverse turns uphill or holds the level of the slant; heard about "garland turn"? Try traversing with all the weight on the pinky edge of the uphill ski. Have you done that yourself? It is a standard practice of flatboarding; we call it "slant slipping." No thanks. Why? It is easier (less tiring) on long traverse, and the weight on the uphill ski is already facilitating the "early weight transfer," thus enables the skier to turn downhill whenever he/she wants it, and slipping is safer technique than skidding. The "slant slipping," is faster, more stable, and more maneuverable, so it's a much versatile technique than simple "side slipping" or skidding. ![]() IS |
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ant wrote:
foot2foot wrote: "MoonMan" wrote in message Please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, stop oversimplifying You canna change the laws of physics Foot Your body *has* to be on the inside of the turn. How else can it be *when* you're turning? Actually, the platform under you, on the snow, is turning. Only if the world revolves around you. Oh, right, you are an instructer. Never mind. ;-) You have to be on the platform. ant |
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Sources close to the investigation reveal that, on Mon, 25 Apr 2005
17:17:45 -0700, "foot2foot" wrote: Thank you. Yes no question. To turn right, your body simply *must* be on the right side of the skis, however slight or extreme. And also vice versa. Not body, center of mass. Not skis, ski. Outside ski. Singular. Not on all terrain. Not at all speeds. Not during the entire course of the turn. So the one-word answer is "no." -- Bill Griffiths "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no such thing as justice." Hobbes |
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