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DL wrote:
On the knee issue, tele basically out? Depends exactly what the problem is: "bad knees" covers a lot of bases. Mine are pretty dodgy but I find for my particular values of "pretty dodgy" that tele is a Good Thing, because the stress goes onto the supporting muscles rather than piling impacts straight through the joint. So my knees really like tele (my thighs want to explode, but that's a different matter!). I ski on non-release bindings too (though they're Riva 3s, so they might release if push comes to shove, but I'm not doing anything too extreme). For a lot of knee problems, they get a lot smaller if one works on building the support muscles. High cadence cycling and skating (skis, blades or wheels) are all good for that, and thighs that can crush coconuts will be a big help for tele. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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I've found with tele that my bad knee that lacks some cartilege and ACL
support gets painful and swells in short order, between the two its movement blocked. Perhaps if my technique were better it might be less of a problem, or at least the window before pain longer, but finding out is effectively impossible. It can be a painful in groomed area, such as on corners, but the pressures are much less with lighter skinny skis and hills that aren't so steep. rm Bob Lee wrote: wrote: What exactly is randonee? Knees have been a problem for me in tele or downhill gear. Randonnee is also known as Alpine Touring (AT) and merely refers to a binding set up that allows a free heel for touring yet can lock the heel down for skiing downhill. ObAncientJoke: The word randonnee is believed to have its roots in the French phrase for "I can't telemark." badabump Randonnee isn't likely to help with your knee problems other than you are likely not to be pounding hard snow or moguls when alpine touring. hth, Bob "DL" wrote: "Booker C. Bense" T2x is a all rounder boot meant for today's wide telemark skis and way too stiff/heavy for Outtabounds skis. I would not put anybody with dodgy knees in that kind of boot unless they had releasable bindings. On the knee issue, tele basically out? Maybe better off on either heavy turning gear with releasable, or very light NNN on the tracks, just to minimize knee stress? Forget tele and go randonee? The whole reason for me to get some light gear is those knees of hers - so we can have something to do together w/o the steeps, speeds and crowds of the resorts. She's pretty novice in her abilities as well, and probably won't be putting in the high number of days needed to get good at something that is difficult to learn. General thoughts? I'd say Garmont Excursion would be a much better choice for plastic boots. I was considering, but noticed T2x was less than 1 lb heavier. Seemed ~1 lb was worth it for to get the extra support and ability to drive larger skis. But I the points you guys are making. The reality is that turning skis of that light weight and narrowness takes learning some different techniques, boots can help, but too stiff a boot just doesn't do much good. Makes sense. I guess we just need to demo some gear. I think you might be happier with the Boundless, it's light enough for kick'n'glide fun outside of set tracks, performs reasonably well in light powder and will stand up to a beefier boot. Outtabounds too light for T2x, got it. Thanks, |
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Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2006, 08:25 +0100 schrieb Martin Thornquist:
[ ] On the knee issue, tele basically out? Not neccessarily. I have bad knees, I don't dare to run much and going steep downhill on foot (esp. with a backpack) can be hell, but tele works fine for some reason. YMMV, of course. Same here. I changed, following the suggestion of alpine guide and friend of mine, to teleskiing exactly to safe my knees. No specific accident, but consumed by years of agonism and by aggressive use of shaped skis. Now, with tele there is nearly no torsion in the knees, only up and down (by muscles). But, the Patella for sure, has to be in good shape. For all the rest i don't see bigger problems. Cheers, Uli |
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In article , DL wrote: "Booker C. Bense" T2x is a all rounder boot meant for today's wide telemark skis and way too stiff/heavy for Outtabounds skis. I would not put anybody with dodgy knees in that kind of boot unless they had releasable bindings. On the knee issue, tele basically out? Maybe better off on either heavy turning gear with releasable, or very light NNN on the tracks, just to minimize knee stress? Forget tele and go randonee? The whole reason for me to get some light gear is those knees of hers - so we can have something to do together w/o the steeps, speeds and crowds of the resorts. She's pretty novice in her abilities as well, and probably won't be putting in the high number of days needed to get good at something that is difficult to learn. General thoughts? Lightweight AT gear and waxless skis can be a lot of fun, but it is a pricy solution. I have a lot of fun on short turny waxless skis ( Alpina Xterrain ) with Silvretta X500 bindings and Dynafit tlt4 boots. Not the lightest setup, but easy to switch modes and plenty of control. Dynafit bindings would be even lighter, but I think the ease of switching modes compensates for the weight disadvantage. ( A simple push w/the pole vs. complicated bending and pole leverage ). Others have answered the knee question. I'd say Garmont Excursion would be a much better choice for plastic boots. I was considering, but noticed T2x was less than 1 lb heavier. Seemed ~1 lb was worth it for to get the extra support and ability to drive larger skis. But I the points you guys are making. _ It's not just the weight, but the amount of effort needed to flex the bellows. Especially when new the T2x will overpower the ski when turning and be a lot of unnecessary work when touring. This kind of gear works best when all 3 components are in balance. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBRYLCemTWTAjn5N/lAQGcNgP+NfrJLQsEBkGOSauGvDpYdmJkP0N2Iasg BLHaxe8IRoFz3Kok0Fe3VLZnqWjfwfMfkNUdbbMuWLM7moytC/7sEvpTZSDxtXwu LD5Jm4mC/vQAJNmAZEAi4p/jKju8uv0qcjsewNAuhKXzxe1nl/cp53UfMMIBbbCk 6UCHd6bWgS4= =FWUS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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