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Enough of this
I'm NOT sorry I brought up the thread, since I have gotten some
extremely good suggestions and comments...and very large percentage off-forum. Fear of reprisal from a member? Probably. I think the issues have drifted away from my original intent, which is to find a suitable, wearable set of protective gear. If you read back, THAT was all the original post asked for.It was NOT to open a discussion about the pros and cons of wearing the gear. I choose to wear the gear. If you choose not to, that's fine with me. Hopefully, at least some members are adults sand weigh the pros/cons carefully before taking the risk. I roller ski quite well, thanks. I am well, WELL past the stage of having to have help stand up or skate or whatever. I am no expert. The others that claim that distinction, whether true or not, are probably better skiers than me as well. I'm 55. I don't ski the same way I did at age 20 or even 40. Telling me to quit roller skiing because I chose to wear protective gear is just asinine. "Hey, you don't wear a seatbelt, so you're going to lose your license and go through driver's ed again." I don't care WHAT my level of expertise, I can't 100% guarantee I won't hit an unseen piece of garbage on the road, be run off the road by a motorist (has happened to me twice now) or just get a clumsy attack and take a tumble. I will probably continue to do so. "The most important is because their perspective is shaped and limited by medical training, medical experience and knowledge, and the politics of government regulation. We're primarily focused here on sports, cross-country skiing in particular, not safety or medical issues." I WILL grant I have a rather skewed view of safety issues. I'm the one putting people back together. Seeing the aftermath of accidents, including, God help me , a rash of trampoline accidents, tends to do that. I will probably continue to advocate the use of seatbelt, helmets, and protective gear. That's my job. And AGAIN, for the reading impaired, my original post was to ask others WHO USE THE GEAR (obviously) for suggestions on brands and types. The larger social issue of the use of protective equipment or the right of someone to wear it was NOT the intent of the original post. For example, Wisconsin, being the home of Harley, has no mandatory helmet law. Want a discussion, try THAT one out for size. I do NOT advocate making this equipment mandatory. I WILL argue with anyone who advocates it NOT being used.Thats a fine distinction I realize and fully expect a reprisal from that. Hey, your issues with helmets and protective gear ...don't understand them, but you are welcome to them. Don't like me disagreeing with you? Get over it. I think we're done here. Rant on without me. I very politely asked THREE times to allow the discussion to go on with my ORIGINAL question and issue, and have had my words twisted, skewed, and then thrown back at me. apparently we cannot continue on this thread without it causing a visceral response from some people...INCLUDING ME. Never my intent. I agree with the writer who stated skiing has absolutely some of the NICEST, most HELPFUL people I've ever run into, including on this group. See my 7:37 am post. I am not willing to continue this ****ing match with skunks and jeopardize that. I wish you all well, even those who disagree with me. I do not wish harm to any of you and wish those without equipment many many miles and years of safe skate skiing. |
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Enough of this
Eight paragraphs is a lot to say "enough of this." Ironically, I do
favor requiring motorcycle riders to wear helmets. Driving public roads is both a public (and social) activity. Individual choice or rights have no place or relevance in the equation (as opposed to deciding whether to drive a cycle, sedan or SUV). The place for individual choice is on private property. Were rollerskiing to create the kinds of problems that vehicle driving does, then some public safety requirements would probably be appropriate. But, fortunately, it hasn't come to that. rm Randy Bryan wrote: I'm NOT sorry I brought up the thread, since I have gotten some extremely good suggestions and comments...and very large percentage off-forum. Fear of reprisal from a member? Probably. I think the issues have drifted away from my original intent, which is to find a suitable, wearable set of protective gear. If you read back, THAT was all the original post asked for.It was NOT to open a discussion about the pros and cons of wearing the gear. I choose to wear the gear. If you choose not to, that's fine with me. Hopefully, at least some members are adults sand weigh the pros/cons carefully before taking the risk. I roller ski quite well, thanks. I am well, WELL past the stage of having to have help stand up or skate or whatever. I am no expert. The others that claim that distinction, whether true or not, are probably better skiers than me as well. I'm 55. I don't ski the same way I did at age 20 or even 40. Telling me to quit roller skiing because I chose to wear protective gear is just asinine. "Hey, you don't wear a seatbelt, so you're going to lose your license and go through driver's ed again." I don't care WHAT my level of expertise, I can't 100% guarantee I won't hit an unseen piece of garbage on the road, be run off the road by a motorist (has happened to me twice now) or just get a clumsy attack and take a tumble. I will probably continue to do so. "The most important is because their perspective is shaped and limited by medical training, medical experience and knowledge, and the politics of government regulation. We're primarily focused here on sports, cross-country skiing in particular, not safety or medical issues." I WILL grant I have a rather skewed view of safety issues. I'm the one putting people back together. Seeing the aftermath of accidents, including, God help me , a rash of trampoline accidents, tends to do that. I will probably continue to advocate the use of seatbelt, helmets, and protective gear. That's my job. And AGAIN, for the reading impaired, my original post was to ask others WHO USE THE GEAR (obviously) for suggestions on brands and types. The larger social issue of the use of protective equipment or the right of someone to wear it was NOT the intent of the original post. For example, Wisconsin, being the home of Harley, has no mandatory helmet law. Want a discussion, try THAT one out for size. I do NOT advocate making this equipment mandatory. I WILL argue with anyone who advocates it NOT being used.Thats a fine distinction I realize and fully expect a reprisal from that. Hey, your issues with helmets and protective gear ...don't understand them, but you are welcome to them. Don't like me disagreeing with you? Get over it. I think we're done here. Rant on without me. I very politely asked THREE times to allow the discussion to go on with my ORIGINAL question and issue, and have had my words twisted, skewed, and then thrown back at me. apparently we cannot continue on this thread without it causing a visceral response from some people...INCLUDING ME. Never my intent. I agree with the writer who stated skiing has absolutely some of the NICEST, most HELPFUL people I've ever run into, including on this group. See my 7:37 am post. I am not willing to continue this ****ing match with skunks and jeopardize that. I wish you all well, even those who disagree with me. I do not wish harm to any of you and wish those without equipment many many miles and years of safe skate skiing. |
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Enough of this
On Wed, 09 May 2007 18:58:15 GMT, Randy Bryan
wrote: Seeing the aftermath of accidents, including, God help me , a rash of trampoline accidents, tends to do that. I will probably continue to advocate the use of seatbelt, helmets, and protective gear. That's my job. Have you ever dealt with someone with a serious head injury from a car accdident, despite wearing a seat belt? Or a head injury to a pedestrian who was hit by a car? Simple questions - no need to answer publically but you should think about them. If the answer is "yes" then there are two related, though less simple questions you should consider: would a helmet have helped them and will you advocate for the use of helmets in cars or when walking near cars? Final questions, pretty simple, and again no need to answer them pubiclly: are there a lot of neck accidents from trampolines, and what do you suggest to protect the participants necks? -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Enough of this
On May 9, 6:25 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2007 18:58:15 GMT, Randy Bryan wrote: Seeing the aftermath of accidents, including, God help me , a rash of trampoline accidents, tends to do that. I will probably continue to advocate the use of seatbelt, helmets, and protective gear. That's my job. Have you ever dealt with someone with a serious head injury from a car accdident, despite wearing a seat belt? Or a head injury to a pedestrian who was hit by a car? Simple questions - no need to answer publically but you should think about them. If the answer is "yes" then there are two related, though less simple questions you should consider: would a helmet have helped them and will you advocate for the use of helmets in cars or when walking near cars? Final questions, pretty simple, and again no need to answer them pubiclly: are there a lot of neck accidents from trampolines, and what do you suggest to protect the participants necks? -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visithttp://www.jt10000.com **************************** Randy, I don't check this web site out very often anymore. But I can give you some advice. Several years ago this site had a lot more readers sharing great information and ideas. What killed it were readers who fly below the radar, don't contribute a thing and than slam posts like yours. Don't take it personally and keep up the interesting questions |
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Enough of this
In article .com,
ADK Skier wrote: I don't check this web site out very often anymore. But I can give you some advice. Several years ago this site had a lot more readers sharing great information and ideas. What killed it were readers who fly below the radar, don't contribute a thing and than slam posts like yours. I tend to disagree with that - I think it's more a matter of changing technology (people being more comfortable with chat and "boards" than they are with Usenet ("web site"?)), plus our magic disappearing winters. Anyway, I tend to favor protective gear because I am one lousy skier plus I'm starting to get on in years. I think the earlier point about being able to relax to get value out of rollerskiing is a really important one. But look, at the risk of overthinking this, in risk analysis we identify risk as a function of both the likelihood of an event and the severity of the consequences of an event. You trade that off against the costs of a mitigation. In the case of rollerskiing while the likelihood of being creamed may be low, the consequences of being creamed can be pretty high and the cost of mitigation (helmet, gloves, padded shorts for some of us) is low. Different skiers make different tradeoffs. Big deal. And geeze - one guy disagrees with you and gives you a hard time? So what? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Enough of this
On 10 May 2007 04:54:26 -0700, ADK Skier wrote:
What killed it were readers who fly below the radar, don't contribute a thing and than slam posts like yours. Oh, I think any decline in posting to rsn is due to lack of consistent snow in places a number of the major contributors live in (esp the US midwest). And the opposing the "safety through armor" attitude Randy's questions represent is a big contribution -- that attitude is a problem in sport (and in transportation as it related to safe streets for running, cycling, etc) in the US. -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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you all need some snow
hey everyone, havent checked the newsgroup in a couple months since the snow
is gone. but, as i can see ... everyone is a little "on edge" !! Don't worry the snow will return soon enough ! JKal. |
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you all need some snow
32 degrees wrote:
hey everyone, havent checked the newsgroup in a couple months since the snow is gone. but, as i can see ... everyone is a little "on edge" !! Don't worry the snow will return soon enough ! JKal. Around 4 to 6 weeks weeks and counting down... ;-) Chris |
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you all need some snow
"Chris Cole" wrote in message ... Around 4 to 6 weeks weeks and counting down... ;-) Yeah, I just checked out the Aussie race schedule last week. Someday I'll get to the Hoppet Loppet. I began roller skiing with a guy from the Australian National team in the late 70's I think. He managed a resort in Western NY where I eventually taught. I think his name was Dave LaPorte. He basically skied year 'round. But I do remember those heavy steel Moon roller skis, so he must have had some off snow days. I also remember us skiing along side roads on the one inch of snow that was scraped off and plowed onto the shoulder. Gary Jacobson Rosendale, NY |
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you all need some snow
along side roads on the one inch of snow that was scraped off and
plowed onto the shoulder. this is how I used to get to school. Best glide |
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