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Old May 9th 07, 06:58 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Randy Bryan
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Default Enough of this

I'm NOT sorry I brought up the thread, since I have gotten some
extremely good suggestions and comments...and very large percentage
off-forum. Fear of reprisal from a member? Probably.
I think the issues have drifted away from my original intent, which is
to find a suitable, wearable set of protective gear. If you read back,
THAT was all the original post asked for.It was NOT to open a discussion
about the pros and cons of wearing the gear. I choose to wear the gear.
If you choose not to, that's fine with me. Hopefully, at least some
members are adults sand weigh the pros/cons carefully before taking the
risk.
I roller ski quite well, thanks. I am well, WELL past the stage of
having to have help stand up or skate or whatever. I am no expert. The
others that claim that distinction, whether true or not, are probably
better skiers than me as well. I'm 55. I don't ski the same way I did at
age 20 or even 40. Telling me to quit roller skiing because I chose to
wear protective gear is just asinine. "Hey, you don't wear a seatbelt,
so you're going to lose your license and go through driver's ed again."
I don't care WHAT my level of expertise, I can't 100% guarantee I won't
hit an unseen piece of garbage on the road, be run off the road by a
motorist (has happened to me twice now) or just get a clumsy attack and
take a tumble. I will probably continue to do so.

"The most important is because their perspective is shaped and limited
by medical training, medical experience and knowledge, and the politics
of government regulation. We're primarily focused here on sports,
cross-country skiing in particular, not safety or medical issues."

I WILL grant I have a rather skewed view of safety issues. I'm the one
putting people back together. Seeing the aftermath of accidents,
including, God help me , a rash of trampoline accidents, tends to do
that. I will probably continue to advocate the use of seatbelt, helmets,
and protective gear. That's my job. And AGAIN, for the reading impaired,
my original post was to ask others WHO USE THE GEAR (obviously) for
suggestions on brands and types.

The larger social issue of the use of protective equipment or the right
of someone to wear it was NOT the intent of the original post. For
example, Wisconsin, being the home of Harley, has no mandatory helmet
law. Want a discussion, try THAT one out for size.
I do NOT advocate making this equipment mandatory. I WILL argue with
anyone who advocates it NOT being used.Thats a fine distinction I
realize and fully expect a reprisal from that.

Hey, your issues with helmets and protective gear ...don't understand
them, but you are welcome to them. Don't like me disagreeing with you?
Get over it.

I think we're done here. Rant on without me. I very politely asked
THREE times to allow the discussion to go on with my ORIGINAL question
and issue, and have had my words twisted, skewed, and then thrown back
at me. apparently we cannot continue on this thread without it causing a
visceral response from some people...INCLUDING ME. Never my intent. I
agree with the writer who stated skiing has absolutely some of the
NICEST, most HELPFUL people I've ever run into, including on this
group. See my 7:37 am post. I am not willing to continue this ****ing
match with skunks and jeopardize that.

I wish you all well, even those who disagree with me. I do not wish harm
to any of you and wish those without equipment many many miles and years
of safe skate skiing.


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Old May 9th 07, 08:25 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Default Enough of this

Eight paragraphs is a lot to say "enough of this." Ironically, I do
favor requiring motorcycle riders to wear helmets. Driving public
roads is both a public (and social) activity. Individual choice or
rights have no place or relevance in the equation (as opposed to
deciding whether to drive a cycle, sedan or SUV). The place for
individual choice is on private property. Were rollerskiing to create
the kinds of problems that vehicle driving does, then some public
safety requirements would probably be appropriate. But, fortunately, it
hasn't come to that.

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Randy Bryan wrote:

I'm NOT sorry I brought up the thread, since I have gotten some
extremely good suggestions and comments...and very large percentage
off-forum. Fear of reprisal from a member? Probably.
I think the issues have drifted away from my original intent, which is
to find a suitable, wearable set of protective gear. If you read back,
THAT was all the original post asked for.It was NOT to open a
discussion about the pros and cons of wearing the gear. I choose to
wear the gear. If you choose not to, that's fine with me. Hopefully,
at least some members are adults sand weigh the pros/cons carefully
before taking the risk.
I roller ski quite well, thanks. I am well, WELL past the stage of
having to have help stand up or skate or whatever. I am no expert. The
others that claim that distinction, whether true or not, are probably
better skiers than me as well. I'm 55. I don't ski the same way I did
at age 20 or even 40. Telling me to quit roller skiing because I chose
to wear protective gear is just asinine. "Hey, you don't wear a
seatbelt, so you're going to lose your license and go through driver's
ed again." I don't care WHAT my level of expertise, I can't 100%
guarantee I won't hit an unseen piece of garbage on the road, be run
off the road by a motorist (has happened to me twice now) or just get
a clumsy attack and take a tumble. I will probably continue to do so.

"The most important is because their perspective is shaped and limited
by medical training, medical experience and knowledge, and the
politics of government regulation. We're primarily focused here on
sports, cross-country skiing in particular, not safety or medical
issues."

I WILL grant I have a rather skewed view of safety issues. I'm the one
putting people back together. Seeing the aftermath of accidents,
including, God help me , a rash of trampoline accidents, tends to do
that. I will probably continue to advocate the use of seatbelt,
helmets, and protective gear. That's my job. And AGAIN, for the
reading impaired, my original post was to ask others WHO USE THE GEAR
(obviously) for suggestions on brands and types.

The larger social issue of the use of protective equipment or the
right of someone to wear it was NOT the intent of the original post.
For example, Wisconsin, being the home of Harley, has no mandatory
helmet law. Want a discussion, try THAT one out for size.
I do NOT advocate making this equipment mandatory. I WILL argue with
anyone who advocates it NOT being used.Thats a fine distinction I
realize and fully expect a reprisal from that.

Hey, your issues with helmets and protective gear ...don't understand
them, but you are welcome to them. Don't like me disagreeing with you?
Get over it.

I think we're done here. Rant on without me. I very politely asked
THREE times to allow the discussion to go on with my ORIGINAL question
and issue, and have had my words twisted, skewed, and then thrown back
at me. apparently we cannot continue on this thread without it causing
a visceral response from some people...INCLUDING ME. Never my intent.
I agree with the writer who stated skiing has absolutely some of the
NICEST, most HELPFUL people I've ever run into, including on this
group. See my 7:37 am post. I am not willing to continue this ****ing
match with skunks and jeopardize that.

I wish you all well, even those who disagree with me. I do not wish
harm to any of you and wish those without equipment many many miles
and years of safe skate skiing.


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Old May 9th 07, 10:25 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
John Forrest Tomlinson
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Default Enough of this

On Wed, 09 May 2007 18:58:15 GMT, Randy Bryan
wrote:

Seeing the aftermath of accidents,
including, God help me , a rash of trampoline accidents, tends to do
that. I will probably continue to advocate the use of seatbelt, helmets,
and protective gear. That's my job.


Have you ever dealt with someone with a serious head injury from a car
accdident, despite wearing a seat belt? Or a head injury to a
pedestrian who was hit by a car?

Simple questions - no need to answer publically but you should think
about them.

If the answer is "yes" then there are two related, though less simple
questions you should consider: would a helmet have helped them and
will you advocate for the use of helmets in cars or when walking near
cars?

Final questions, pretty simple, and again no need to answer them
pubiclly: are there a lot of neck accidents from trampolines, and what
do you suggest to protect the participants necks?
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Old May 10th 07, 11:54 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
ADK Skier
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Default Enough of this

On May 9, 6:25 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 18:58:15 GMT, Randy Bryan
wrote:

Seeing the aftermath of accidents,
including, God help me , a rash of trampoline accidents, tends to do
that. I will probably continue to advocate the use of seatbelt, helmets,
and protective gear. That's my job.


Have you ever dealt with someone with a serious head injury from a car
accdident, despite wearing a seat belt? Or a head injury to a
pedestrian who was hit by a car?

Simple questions - no need to answer publically but you should think
about them.

If the answer is "yes" then there are two related, though less simple
questions you should consider: would a helmet have helped them and
will you advocate for the use of helmets in cars or when walking near
cars?

Final questions, pretty simple, and again no need to answer them
pubiclly: are there a lot of neck accidents from trampolines, and what
do you suggest to protect the participants necks?
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Randy,
I don't check this web site out very often anymore. But I can give you
some advice. Several years ago this site had a lot more readers
sharing great information and ideas. What killed it were readers who
fly below the radar, don't contribute a thing and than slam posts like
yours. Don't take it personally and keep up the interesting questions

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Old May 10th 07, 12:12 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Melinda Shore
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Default Enough of this

In article .com,
ADK Skier wrote:
I don't check this web site out very often anymore. But I can give you
some advice. Several years ago this site had a lot more readers
sharing great information and ideas. What killed it were readers who
fly below the radar, don't contribute a thing and than slam posts like
yours.


I tend to disagree with that - I think it's more a matter of
changing technology (people being more comfortable with chat
and "boards" than they are with Usenet ("web site"?)), plus
our magic disappearing winters.

Anyway, I tend to favor protective gear because I am one
lousy skier plus I'm starting to get on in years. I think
the earlier point about being able to relax to get value out
of rollerskiing is a really important one.

But look, at the risk of overthinking this, in risk analysis
we identify risk as a function of both the likelihood of an
event and the severity of the consequences of an event. You
trade that off against the costs of a mitigation. In the
case of rollerskiing while the likelihood of being creamed
may be low, the consequences of being creamed can be pretty
high and the cost of mitigation (helmet, gloves, padded
shorts for some of us) is low. Different skiers make
different tradeoffs. Big deal.

And geeze - one guy disagrees with you and gives you a hard
time? So what?
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
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Old May 10th 07, 10:15 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
John Forrest Tomlinson
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Default Enough of this

On 10 May 2007 04:54:26 -0700, ADK Skier wrote:

What killed it were readers who
fly below the radar, don't contribute a thing and than slam posts like
yours.


Oh, I think any decline in posting to rsn is due to lack of consistent
snow in places a number of the major contributors live in (esp the US
midwest).

And the opposing the "safety through armor" attitude Randy's questions
represent is a big contribution -- that attitude is a problem in sport
(and in transportation as it related to safe streets for running,
cycling, etc) in the US.
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Old May 12th 07, 12:10 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
32 degrees
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Default you all need some snow

hey everyone, havent checked the newsgroup in a couple months since the snow
is gone.

but, as i can see ... everyone is a little "on edge" !!

Don't worry the snow will return soon enough !

JKal.


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Old May 12th 07, 02:14 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Chris Cole
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Default you all need some snow

32 degrees wrote:
hey everyone, havent checked the newsgroup in a couple months since the snow
is gone.

but, as i can see ... everyone is a little "on edge" !!

Don't worry the snow will return soon enough !

JKal.




Around 4 to 6 weeks weeks and counting down... ;-)

Chris
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Old May 12th 07, 04:01 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Gary Jacobson
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Default you all need some snow


"Chris Cole" wrote in message
...
Around 4 to 6 weeks weeks and counting down... ;-)



Yeah, I just checked out the Aussie race schedule last week. Someday I'll
get to the Hoppet Loppet. I began roller skiing with a guy from the
Australian National team in the late 70's I think. He managed a resort in
Western NY where I eventually taught. I think his name was Dave LaPorte. He
basically skied year 'round. But I do remember those heavy steel Moon
roller skis, so he must have had some off snow days. I also remember us
skiing along side roads on the one inch of snow that was scraped off and
plowed onto the shoulder.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY



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Old May 12th 07, 09:23 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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along side roads on the one inch of snow that was scraped off and
plowed onto the shoulder.


this is how I used to get to school. Best glide

 




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