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Old November 22nd 04, 01:52 AM
Gary Jacobson
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Recently read that this weekend's nordic races in Gallivare, Sweden were
held at "below zero" temperatures. I suppose that means below 0F, as the
talk was of severe cold.

Is there a low temperature limit for a FIS sanctioned xc-ski event?

I imagine that keeping people from racing in a Worldloppet race due to cold
might cause a revolution. Shorten the race maybe, delay the start, but not
hold it?

I suppose in a WC event there is an issue for spectators and media people as
well. Do these races get postponed due to severe cold?

Gary Jacobson
Balmy Rosendale, NY






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Old November 22nd 04, 03:02 AM
John Forrest Tomlinson
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:52:53 GMT, "Gary Jacobson"
wrote:

Recently read that this weekend's nordic races in Gallivare, Sweden were
held at "below zero" temperatures. I suppose that means below 0F, as the
talk was of severe cold.

Is there a low temperature limit for a FIS sanctioned xc-ski event?


I think it's -20C.

I imagine that keeping people from racing in a Worldloppet race due to cold
might cause a revolution. Shorten the race maybe, delay the start, but not
hold it?

I suppose in a WC event there is an issue for spectators and media people as
well. Do these races get postponed due to severe cold?


When the world championships were in Lahti a few years ago the women's
30K race was cancelled and the men's race 50K was pushed back a few
hours.

JT

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Old November 22nd 04, 07:37 AM
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:52:53 GMT, "Gary Jacobson"
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Recently read that this weekend's nordic races in Gallivare, Sweden were
held at "below zero" temperatures. I suppose that means below 0F, as the
talk was of severe cold.

Is there a low temperature limit for a FIS sanctioned xc-ski event?



I think it's -20C.


Correct.

The norwegian coach for the (winning) female team had a personal limit
of -18, if it had been any colder than that (but still within -20), he
would have pulled the team from the event.

The norwegian second-leg runner (Vibeke Skofterud) was the only one on
the team who didn't handle the conditions too well, she dropped back
quite a bit, and seemed quite a bit 'worse for wear' afterwards.

Terje

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Old November 22nd 04, 03:08 PM
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"Gary Jacobson" wrote in message
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Recently read that this weekend's nordic races in Gallivare, Sweden were
held at "below zero" temperatures. I suppose that means below 0F, as the
talk was of severe cold.

Is there a low temperature limit for a FIS sanctioned xc-ski event?


From the FIS "International Ski Competition Rules":
For International competitions (WC, Continental Cup, etc). If the
temperature is below -20 ° C, measured at the coldest point of the course, a
competition will be postponed or cancelled by the Jury.

For "Popular Cross-Country Competitions" (PCCC), which are competitions open
to all Cross-Country competitors, licensed and non-licensed, without
limitation on competition distance or format:
Between minus 15° and minus 25° C: If the temperature level is forecast to
be between minus 15°and minus 25°C at any point on the course,
recommendations regarding cold weather protection should be made available
to the participants. Under such conditions it is the responsibility of the
participants to seek the information and to follow the recommendations given
by the organiser.
Minus 25° C and below: If the temperature in a major portion of the course
is minus 25° C or below, the competition shall be delayed or cancelled.

I imagine that keeping people from racing in a Worldloppet race due to
cold
might cause a revolution. Shorten the race maybe, delay the start, but not
hold it?


Many of you guys have a competitor "mindset"; if somebody on the side of the
trail tells you that you have bad frostbite, will you stop? No way! I was at
a Loppet last winter where the start was delayed until the temperture
"climbed" to -20C. Even when asked repeatedly to stop, most of the
participants wouldn't listen. I am sure they still wear the scars from the
awful frostbites they got on that day.

I suppose in a WC event there is an issue for spectators and media people
as
well. Do these races get postponed due to severe cold?


Spectators can always put on warmer clothes or walk into a warm place.
Competitors can't. the decision to postpone or cancel is made for the
well-being of the
competitors.

Gary Jacobson
Balmy Rosendale, NY


BarryT



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Old November 22nd 04, 05:36 PM
Sly D. Skeez
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Terje Mathisen wrote in message ...
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:52:53 GMT, "Gary Jacobson"
wrote:

Is there a low temperature limit for a FIS sanctioned xc-ski event?


I think it's -20C.


I believe that most local races (except the Birkie for the Midwest
folks) are probably not FIS sanctioned, and the -20 C (-4 F) is
optional. I think junior and senior events are better than master
events at following a temp limit.

Once the temp goes below 0 F (-18 C), I try to switch to the classic
event. When the temp goes below about -10 F (-23 C), it can be faster
to classic ski than skate in a freestyle event. If there's new snow,
the balance swings to classic much quicker.

When temps are predicted to go below the FIS limit, I start looking to
bag the race. I think it gets dangerous to be out there (break a pole,
break a binding, etc and you get cold pretty fast when you're wearing
lycra). Also, it can be hard on the lungs, and my coach freezes her
ass off.

Jay Wenner
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Old November 22nd 04, 10:22 PM
John Forrest Tomlinson
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"BarryT" wrote in message . ..
Spectators can always put on warmer
clothes or walk into a warm place.
Competitors can't. the decision to
postpone or cancel is made for the
well-being of the
competitors.


A staffperson at the Lake Placid Loppet that was postponed an hour a
few years ago, and a few weeks last year, told me that their race also
worries about the many volunteers around the course in extreme cold
conditions.

JT
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Old November 26th 04, 10:19 AM
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RSN skiers,
Just a side topic on cold conditions. When looking at cross country
ski wax charts, remember that FIS rules allow/require the race to be
cancelled if the temp ANYWHERE on the race course is -20c or colder.

So, you are not going to find much research on optimum grip wax or
glide wax for anything that cold.

You are also are not going to find any race suits for that cold temp
either.

Cheers,
Bruce Freeburger


Gary Jacobson wrote:

Recently read that this weekend's nordic races in Gallivare, Sweden were
held at "below zero" temperatures. I suppose that means below 0F, as the
talk was of severe cold.

Is there a low temperature limit for a FIS sanctioned xc-ski event?

I imagine that keeping people from racing in a Worldloppet race due to cold
might cause a revolution. Shorten the race maybe, delay the start, but not
hold it?

I suppose in a WC event there is an issue for spectators and media people as
well. Do these races get postponed due to severe cold?

Gary Jacobson
Balmy Rosendale, NY






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Old November 27th 04, 11:20 PM
Alex
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According to FasterSkier.com, the FIS limit is about to be raised to
minus 18C for short races and minus 15C for longer ones.

http://www.fasterskier.com/news.php?id=1565

Alex

"USENET (at) BIKESonTV.com" "USENET (at) BIKESonTV.com" wrote in message ...
RSN skiers,
Just a side topic on cold conditions. When looking at cross country
ski wax charts, remember that FIS rules allow/require the race to be
cancelled if the temp ANYWHERE on the race course is -20c or colder.

So, you are not going to find much research on optimum grip wax or
glide wax for anything that cold.

You are also are not going to find any race suits for that cold temp
either.

Cheers,
Bruce Freeburger


Gary Jacobson wrote:

Recently read that this weekend's nordic races in Gallivare, Sweden were
held at "below zero" temperatures. I suppose that means below 0F, as the
talk was of severe cold.

Is there a low temperature limit for a FIS sanctioned xc-ski event?

I imagine that keeping people from racing in a Worldloppet race due to cold
might cause a revolution. Shorten the race maybe, delay the start, but not
hold it?

I suppose in a WC event there is an issue for spectators and media people as
well. Do these races get postponed due to severe cold?

Gary Jacobson
Balmy Rosendale, NY






 




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