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On the computaion of FIS points
Hi,
I am trying to figure out how FIS points are computed for each skier on the WC. In the FIS Website, the cross-country formula is the folowing: P = (F x Ti/To) - F where P: race points Ti: time of the skier To: time of the winner F: the F factor, varying from 800 for competions with interval start to 1400 for competitions with mass start or pursuit. As an example, here are some results using the formula: Racer Time F factor Race points 1 00:36:08 1400 0 2 00:37:08 1400 38.75 3 00:38:08 1400 77.49 4 00:39:08 1400 116.24 5 00:40:08 1400 154.98 The better the performance, the lower the number of race points. There are also so-called "Penalty points" that are added to race points at each race based on actuel FIS points of the five best racers (a "race quality" factor). However, when looking at the skiers FIS points in the FIS Website (www.fis-ski.com), the winner is awarded, let say, 100 points, 80 points to the second, 60 to the third, and so on up to the 30th skier in a given race. Does anyone know what is the relationship bettween the FIS race points (going up with worse performance) and the FIS point rankings (gong down with worse performance)? One who cares about numbers, RO |
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On the computaion of FIS points
Does anyone know what is the relationship bettween the FIS race points (going up with worse performance) and the FIS point rankings (gong down with worse performance)? One who cares about numbers, RO You are confusing oranges with bananas here. One thing is the FIS ranking, used for determining athletes start lists, the other is the World Cup rankings, which are the ones who counts at the end of the year. The FIS rankings, similar the ATP rankings, is composed only of the 5 best results of the past 12 months (the FIS list, however, are not updated weekly, but using some criteria that I donīt really know). After every FIS race, there is some Penalty points that are used for calculate the FIS rankings. In this case, we can call the "negative points system". The FIS World Cup Rankings are composed by the sum of all WC events along the CC season. The WC races, like Formula 1, give points for the racers according to their position. In this case, the more the better. The best overall CC skier is the one who acumulate more points (only at WC races) along the season. This will be the "positive points system". The relationship between the FIS points and the FIS World Cup points? None. You can be the best skier in the FIS rankings because you were great in a couple of non-WC races and donīt collect a single point during the WC races. After all that, and making a little more confusing, there are some skiing disciplines (like snowboarding) that use the positive points system for their FIS rankings and qualification system, so you might be reading the points system in another area. I hope I helped a little bit and didnīt confuse you even more. |
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On the computaion of FIS points
On 18 fév, 10:22, Rominger wrote:
I hope I helped a little bit and didnīt confuse you even more. Thanks Rominger for the clarification. Sometimes things look simpler than they appear. RO |
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On the computaion of FIS points
But a question comes to me: if the FIS points (negative point system)
serve only for determining the start list, what does happen if the "red group" wants to start first intead at the end of the next race, let say, beacuase of bad snow conditions? RO |
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On the computaion of FIS points
On Feb 18, 3:21*pm, wrote:
But a question comes to me: if the FIS points (negative point system) serve only for determining the start list, what does happen if the "red group" wants to start first intead at the end of the next race, let say, beacuase of bad snow conditions? RO Last year in Liberec, they changed the start order because of the horrible snow conditions. Back then, the top racers went first. Apparently this is something that is discussed between the organizers and the FIS delegates and varies from case to case. But normally, the red group start later, just like in road cycling time trial. And, sometimes, the guys who go early have a better weather condition and grab some podiums. Luck is always part of the game. Statistically, though, it is fair to say that going last is normally more advantageous, not only because you know the time splits, but the first starters might find some problems at the track that the latest can avoid, I think you have an idea. In Biathlon, as far as I know, the starting order system is different (no idea how it is defined) and the top racers are more spread around the field. |
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On the computaion of FIS points
I thought some section of the Red Group racers or coaches got to request
to start first or last. Normally, they go out last, but conditions can dictate the change. If they go out first, I think the WC leader is first one out. Gene Rominger wrote: On Feb 18, 3:21*pm, wrote: But a question comes to me: if the FIS points (negative point system) serve only for determining the start list, what does happen if the "red group" wants to start first intead at the end of the next race, let say, beacuase of bad snow conditions? RO Last year in Liberec, they changed the start order because of the horrible snow conditions. Back then, the top racers went first. Apparently this is something that is discussed between the organizers and the FIS delegates and varies from case to case. But normally, the red group start later, just like in road cycling time trial. And, sometimes, the guys who go early have a better weather condition and grab some podiums. Luck is always part of the game. Statistically, though, it is fair to say that going last is normally more advantageous, not only because you know the time splits, but the first starters might find some problems at the track that the latest can avoid, I think you have an idea. In Biathlon, as far as I know, the starting order system is different (no idea how it is defined) and the top racers are more spread around the field. |
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