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Race Hydration
Having only recently begun using poles with the new "ergo" straps (Swix
Profit, Exel whatever they're called), I've discovered that, with them, it's much more difficult to grab - and try to drink from - traditional water bottles (carried in the traditional carriers, like the old Ultimate Direction holster). I've pretty much given up on trying to carry water in a race, relying instead on feed stations. Just curious about what others (who would rather carry their own drinks) have come up with to solve this issue. -Jeff |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:40:49 -0700, "Wily Coyote"
wrote: Having only recently begun using poles with the new "ergo" straps (Swix Profit, Exel whatever they're called), I've discovered that, with them, it's much more difficult to grab - and try to drink from - traditional water bottles (carried in the traditional carriers, like the old Ultimate Direction holster). I've pretty much given up on trying to carry water in a race, relying instead on feed stations. Just curious about what others (who would rather carry their own drinks) have come up with to solve this issue. I rotate the belt around so the bottle is in front, then take it out, drink, replace the bottle and then rotate it back to the back. JFT |
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On 13 jan, 14:40, "Wily Coyote" wrote:
Having only recently begun using poles with the new "ergo" straps (Swix Profit, Exel whatever they're called), I've discovered that, with them, it's much more difficult to grab - and try to drink from - traditional water bottles (carried in the traditional carriers, like the old Ultimate Direction holster). I've pretty much given up on trying to carry water in a race, relying instead on feed stations. Just curious about what others (who would rather carry their own drinks) have come up with to solve this issue. -Jeff For loppets (30 km), I have tried hyperhydration (http:// www.sportsci.org/traintech/glycerol/rar.htm) for a couple of times and it worked great. The advantage: nothing to carry during the race. However, I beleive it is a difficult method for sensible stomachs. However, this year, I am back with my belt trying the new hydration formula tested on the Tour de France (by cyclists; http://outside.away.com/outside/body...ydration.html). I have tested it so far during my long distance (3-4 hrs) ski workouts and it works great, you never "hit the wall" (but that doesn't solve your drinking method problem indeed). I also rotate my belt in front then take the bottle out. Drinking is so important that I would even stop skiing for drinking rather than continue without doing it; it is not worth thirsting to save time, your performance will fall abruptly. Rock |
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Don't know if they've changed, but the Ultimate Direction packs had the
bottle vertical. Try a diagonally-slanted one such as the Salomon. "Wily Coyote" wrote: Having only recently begun using poles with the new "ergo" straps (Swix Profit, Exel whatever they're called), I've discovered that, with them, it's much more difficult to grab - and try to drink from - traditional water bottles (carried in the traditional carriers, like the old Ultimate Direction holster). I've pretty much given up on trying to carry water in a race, relying instead on feed stations. Just curious about what others (who would rather carry their own drinks) have come up with to solve this issue. -Jeff |
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On Jan 13, 2:30 pm, wrote:
Don't know if they've changed, but the Ultimate Direction packs had the bottle vertical. Try a diagonally-slanted one such as the Salomon. Totally agree. The vertical holders are worthless for skiing in my opinion. You have to stop, rotate the pack in order to remove it and then rotate it back. I've never been able to drink on the move with them. I used a Salomon angled pack for years and loved it. I customized it with some insulation at the bottom. Alas, it was stolen. I now have a new Fischer pack, very similar design, which I like too. I'm able to drink from an angled pack with the modern pole straps, having used Swix, Excel and Toko/Yoko. (prefer Swix, but not for that reason, they're just the most comfortable for me). It takes some practice, but it can be done. I choose moderate/easy downhills and drink a little bit (1-2 glugs), but frequently. |
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What'd you use for insulation? Another issue is bottles. The Polar
bottles are much better insulated, but the 20oz is near impossible to grab from the Salomon pack because it's too short, and the 24oz is sometimes not easy because of the wide diameter. I prefer the thinner 28oz bike type, but it gets cold faster. Hot water and turning it upside down buys time. Camilo wrote: On Jan 13, 2:30 pm, wrote: Don't know if they've changed, but the Ultimate Direction packs had the bottle vertical. Try a diagonally-slanted one such as the Salomon. Totally agree. The vertical holders are worthless for skiing in my opinion. You have to stop, rotate the pack in order to remove it and then rotate it back. I've never been able to drink on the move with them. I used a Salomon angled pack for years and loved it. I customized it with some insulation at the bottom. Alas, it was stolen. I now have a new Fischer pack, very similar design, which I like too. I'm able to drink from an angled pack with the modern pole straps, having used Swix, Excel and Toko/Yoko. (prefer Swix, but not for that reason, they're just the most comfortable for me). It takes some practice, but it can be done. I choose moderate/easy downhills and drink a little bit (1-2 glugs), but frequently. |
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On Jan 13, 8:06 pm, wrote:
What'd you use for insulation? Another issue is bottles. The Polar bottles are much better insulated, but the 20oz is near impossible to grab from the Salomon pack because it's too short, and the 24oz is sometimes not easy because of the wide diameter. I prefer the thinner 28oz bike type, but it gets cold faster. Hot water and turning it upside down buys time. Camilo wrote: On Jan 13, 2:30 pm, wrote: Don't know if they've changed, but the Ultimate Direction packs had the bottle vertical. Try a diagonally-slanted one such as the Salomon. Totally agree. The vertical holders are worthless for skiing in my opinion. You have to stop, rotate the pack in order to remove it and then rotate it back. I've never been able to drink on the move with them. I used a Salomon angled pack for years and loved it. I customized it with some insulation at the bottom. Alas, it was stolen. I now have a new Fischer pack, very similar design, which I like too. I'm able to drink from an angled pack with the modern pole straps, having used Swix, Excel and Toko/Yoko. (prefer Swix, but not for that reason, they're just the most comfortable for me). It takes some practice, but it can be done. I choose moderate/easy downhills and drink a little bit (1-2 glugs), but frequently. I put a little disk cut from a foam sleeping pad at the bottom of the bottle holder, then sealed it up by taping on the outside with black tape. I think it made a big difference. When it's really cold, I put a heat pack down there, flip the bottle upside down and start with water as hot as my tap puts it out. If it's really, really cold when training, I wear a little looser jacket and put it over the water bottle pack in back. |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:37:16 -0800 (PST), Camilo
wrote: I put a little disk cut from a foam sleeping pad at the bottom of the bottle holder, then sealed it up by taping on the outside with black tape. I think it made a big difference. When it's really cold, I put a heat pack down there, flip the bottle upside down and start with water as hot as my tap puts it out. Really interesting. I'd tried the heat pack w/o the foam but that didn't seem to help much. |
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On Jan 15, 2:03 am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:37:16 -0800 (PST), Camilo wrote: I put a little disk cut from a foam sleeping pad at the bottom of the bottle holder, then sealed it up by taping on the outside with black tape. I think it made a big difference. When it's really cold, I put a heat pack down there, flip the bottle upside down and start with water as hot as my tap puts it out. Really interesting. I'd tried the heat pack w/o the foam but that didn't seem to help much. My Salomon bottle pack is (was) open at the bottom. Not totally open of course or the bottle would fall through. But instead of a solid fabric bottom to the bottle pouch, there was just a strap, open on each side of the strap. I put a round piece of an old sleeping pad in there, held in place by friction, but also taped up the bottom on the outside. (using BLACK duct tape for aesthetic reasons!) My theory is that to preserve heat, the more you can do to eliminate air circulation would help the insulation itself, thus I supplemented the piece of insulation by making it more air tight with tape. Does any of this make sense? My unit was about 5 years old; I don't know if the new Salomon bottle belts are the same design. Then, like I said, I put a small heat pack inside there, invert the bottle, and with hot water it will prevent freezing for quite a while at quite cold temps. YMMV, of course. My new Fischer bottle belt doesn't have this open design on the bottom of the bottle pouch. I haven't decided if I'm going to add insulation or not. Another feature I like better than the old Salomon belt is that the zipper pouch is larger, more adequate for keys, cell phone, power bars, gu or kick wax. I think I could put a cork in there. I like to carry things like this (not all of them every time!) when I'm training/rec skiing, and it's nicer than carrying another belt pack or having that stuff in jacket or pants pockets (yes, I like XC clothing with POCKETS). |
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