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Old August 16th 03, 01:06 PM
Bob Creasote
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Hi

What is better for training, running or cycling? How long is a piece of
string? :O)

I find that I can recover much quicker when cycling because
1. Get more time in, hence better for endurance and
2. I get very little, if any, muscular soreness from intense sessions.

It would seem though that running is the norm for dry land training amongst
the quick guys. (maybe that's not right though....)

If I do my Anaerobic Threshold efforts on the bike, will this translate well
onto the skis? On the other hand, if I do my theshold efforts whilst running
(say 2 times a week) and then ride the rest of the time, will my AT rise on
the bike? (and at the same time on the skis). I like doing both running and
cycling so I want to keep doing both but at the same time gain max. possible
fitness.

Do (m)any of the top guys forego the running for the bike and rollerskis?

thanks

Bob


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Old August 17th 03, 12:32 AM
Jeff Kalember
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Hands down.... running.
(It's a little boring in here lately, this should liven it up. )

JK

"Bob Creasote" wrote in message
...
Hi

What is better for training, running or cycling? How long is a piece of
string? :O)

I find that I can recover much quicker when cycling because
1. Get more time in, hence better for endurance and
2. I get very little, if any, muscular soreness from intense sessions.

It would seem though that running is the norm for dry land training

amongst
the quick guys. (maybe that's not right though....)

If I do my Anaerobic Threshold efforts on the bike, will this translate

well
onto the skis? On the other hand, if I do my theshold efforts whilst

running
(say 2 times a week) and then ride the rest of the time, will my AT rise

on
the bike? (and at the same time on the skis). I like doing both running

and
cycling so I want to keep doing both but at the same time gain max.

possible
fitness.

Do (m)any of the top guys forego the running for the bike and rollerskis?

thanks

Bob




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Old August 17th 03, 08:10 AM
Bob Creasote
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Sorry to be so anal about the questions but why is running better?

If I have a high cycling lactate threshold will it take long to transfer
this over to running? i.e. the specificty thing. But then again both running
and cycling are not skiing. If you know what I mean...

thanks

Bob


"Jeff Kalember" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
Hands down.... running.
(It's a little boring in here lately, this should liven it up. )

JK

"Bob Creasote" wrote in message
...
Hi

What is better for training, running or cycling? How long is a piece of
string? :O)

I find that I can recover much quicker when cycling because
1. Get more time in, hence better for endurance and
2. I get very little, if any, muscular soreness from intense sessions.

It would seem though that running is the norm for dry land training

amongst
the quick guys. (maybe that's not right though....)

If I do my Anaerobic Threshold efforts on the bike, will this translate

well
onto the skis? On the other hand, if I do my theshold efforts whilst

running
(say 2 times a week) and then ride the rest of the time, will my AT rise

on
the bike? (and at the same time on the skis). I like doing both running

and
cycling so I want to keep doing both but at the same time gain max.

possible
fitness.

Do (m)any of the top guys forego the running for the bike and

rollerskis?

thanks

Bob




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Old August 17th 03, 04:33 PM
Jeff Kalember
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Running is better because it more closely mimics the classic motion in
skiing. Also, by carrying your body weight you actually burn more calories
and work harder over a specific period of time.

but, it is also makes you more prone to injuries... so kind of a trade off
there...

Personally, I just prefer running for its ease & simplicity.
JK

"Bob Creasote" wrote in message
...
Sorry to be so anal about the questions but why is running better?

If I have a high cycling lactate threshold will it take long to transfer
this over to running? i.e. the specificty thing. But then again both

running
and cycling are not skiing. If you know what I mean...

thanks

Bob


"Jeff Kalember" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
Hands down.... running.
(It's a little boring in here lately, this should liven it up. )

JK

"Bob Creasote" wrote in message
...
Hi

What is better for training, running or cycling? How long is a piece

of
string? :O)

I find that I can recover much quicker when cycling because
1. Get more time in, hence better for endurance and
2. I get very little, if any, muscular soreness from intense sessions.

It would seem though that running is the norm for dry land training

amongst
the quick guys. (maybe that's not right though....)

If I do my Anaerobic Threshold efforts on the bike, will this

translate
well
onto the skis? On the other hand, if I do my theshold efforts whilst

running
(say 2 times a week) and then ride the rest of the time, will my AT

rise
on
the bike? (and at the same time on the skis). I like doing both

running
and
cycling so I want to keep doing both but at the same time gain max.

possible
fitness.

Do (m)any of the top guys forego the running for the bike and

rollerskis?

thanks

Bob




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Old August 17th 03, 04:39 PM
Erik Brooks
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I'd agree with both Jeff and Matt on
this.

And, the running IS much more specific
than cycling, especially if you run up
hills with XC poles and try to emulate
ski tech. If you will do more cycling
because you don't like to run, then I
think that mtn biking is much better for
skiers than road biking, or at least
that climbing on the bike is better than
the flats....

Erik Brooks, Seattle, who does a some of
each, but mostly road biking just
because it's how I get to work, and it's
easy to add on very pleasant extra
mileage along the way...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Morency"
To: "Multiple recipients of list
NORDIC-SKI"

Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:41 AM
Subject: Running or Cycling


Rollerskiing is much more ski specific

than either running or cycling.
However, I would recommend doing what

you enjoy. If you do not enjoy
training you are less likely to train

and more likely to quit training
completely.
--Matt

"Bob Creasote"

wrote in
message ...
Sorry to be so anal about the

questions but why is running better?

If I have a high cycling lactate

threshold will it take long to transfer
this over to running? i.e. the

specificty thing. But then again both
running
and cycling are not skiing. If you

know what I mean...

thanks

Bob


"Jeff Kalember"

schrieb
im Newsbeitrag

..
..
Hands down.... running.
(It's a little boring in here

lately, this should liven it up. )

JK

"Bob Creasote"

wrote in
message
...
Hi

What is better for training,

running or cycling? How long is a piece
of
string? :O)

I find that I can recover much

quicker when cycling because
1. Get more time in, hence

better for endurance and
2. I get very little, if any,

muscular soreness from intense sessions.

It would seem though that

running is the norm for dry land
training
amongst
the quick guys. (maybe that's

not right though....)

If I do my Anaerobic Threshold

efforts on the bike, will this translate
well
onto the skis? On the other

hand, if I do my theshold efforts whilst
running
(say 2 times a week) and then

ride the rest of the time, will my AT
rise
on
the bike? (and at the same time

on the skis). I like doing both running
and
cycling so I want to keep doing

both but at the same time gain max.
possible
fitness.

Do (m)any of the top guys forego

the running for the bike and
rollerskis?

thanks

Bob




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Old August 18th 03, 01:17 PM
kayakclc
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If I have a high cycling lactate threshold will it take long to transfer
this over to running?


In my experience you should give yourself 2 weeks. It always seems to
take my body 1-2 weeks to "make the conversion". I'm not a racer and I
don't study training methods but I've done a lot of different things
and have had to "make the conversion" many times. For example, I was
running about a 5:40 pace when I went into a period of not running for
6 months but I was jumping rope 5 days a week. When I started running
again every training run for the 1st week felt like crap but was a PB
(no rythm, quads felt slow - calves felt fast). The 2nd week the runs
started to feel better and I continued to set new PB's. By the end of
the 2 weeks I was running 5:20's. That's almost 2 min. off my training
runs.

Anyway your conditioning will transfer from one to the other!!!
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Old August 18th 03, 05:15 PM
Matt Morency
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Running is much less expensive than biking and that matters for some
of us here. I think that everyone here can afford to run, whereas
others cannot afford the equipment for biking. So I think for one who
is choosing one or the other from a financial perspective running is a
better value. While some, for example sknyski, have preached about
the advantages of not having a job, the above kind of thinking is a
disadvantage of such a situation. Of course, exercise makes life's
problems more bareable.
--Matt

"Bob Creasote" wrote in message ...
Hi

What is better for training, running or cycling? How long is a piece of
string? :O)

I find that I can recover much quicker when cycling because
1. Get more time in, hence better for endurance and
2. I get very little, if any, muscular soreness from intense sessions.

It would seem though that running is the norm for dry land training amongst
the quick guys. (maybe that's not right though....)

If I do my Anaerobic Threshold efforts on the bike, will this translate well
onto the skis? On the other hand, if I do my theshold efforts whilst running
(say 2 times a week) and then ride the rest of the time, will my AT rise on
the bike? (and at the same time on the skis). I like doing both running and
cycling so I want to keep doing both but at the same time gain max. possible
fitness.

Do (m)any of the top guys forego the running for the bike and rollerskis?

thanks

Bob

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Old August 18th 03, 06:14 PM
Jim Farrell
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Matt Morency wrote:
Running is much less expensive than biking and that matters for some
of us here. I think that everyone here can afford to run, whereas
others cannot afford the equipment for biking.


Unless you are a techhead (well, aren't we all?), a servicable used bike
can be had at garage sales for $25. You won't win your local crit, but
climbing hills with the extra weight and rolling resistance of a more
pedestrian machine (pardon the pun) is good training as well. . .

Jim Farrell

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Old August 20th 03, 03:54 AM
Erik Brooks
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I suppose I should qualify my statement
more - I should have said that I think
that XC skiers benefit more from biking
where you are out of the saddle a lot
and using your arms and core muscles
lots, as opposed to rides where you stay
on the seat and do most of the work with
your legs. I think that most mtn bike
rides naturally are more 'whole-body'
rides, but that's not always the case.

Erik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Goldenfeld"

To: "Multiple recipients of list
NORDIC-SKI"

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: Running or Cycling


Why is mtn biking better? That's

pretty arbitrary, since mtn biking tends
to offer more of one kind of workout,

namely hard. Those are valuable and,
as Ken S. might attest, fill in well

when lots of hilly rollerskiing or
other extended hill work is not

accessible. I think it helps to
distinguish between specific training

and general conditioning. Road
biking allows a range of intensities,

and thus can serve as, say, an easy
1.5 hr prelude to a hard rollerski the

next day, a 2 hour recovery workout
the day after doing something hard,

or, with the right terrain, a long hard
or easy workout in itself. The 50K

club folks notwithstanding, more than
two hours on rollerskis is not easy

and for most people technique starts
breaking down by then, if not earlier.

Road biking offers one alternative
for endurance conditioning that can't

be gotten in other ways and, if
properly used, will over time make

rollerskiing and other workouts a lot
easier.

Gene

Erik Brooks wrote:

I'd agree with both Jeff and Matt on
this.

And, the running IS much more

specific
than cycling, especially if you run

up
hills with XC poles and try to

emulate
ski tech. If you will do more

cycling
because you don't like to run, then

I
think that mtn biking is much better

for
skiers than road biking, or at least
that climbing on the bike is better

than
the flats....

Erik Brooks, Seattle, who does a

some of
each, but mostly road biking just
because it's how I get to work, and

it's
easy to add on very pleasant extra
mileage along the way...










 




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