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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
a dealer gave me a story that fitting a (palmer) board is not by
height, but by weight, and told me a 165 honeypro or honeycomb would be fine for me. i am 6'4" and 200 pounds, and a size 12 boot. the 165 honeypro/honeycomb stands about a 1/2 inch below my chin. do i believe him? what do you think? i can get a pretty good deal on a palmer. I like the honeypro, honeycomb(stiffer-i like) and carbon circle(stiffer too). carbon circle is topped at 164. even shorter. whats up? why does palmer not put out a 168 or 169 on their higher end boards (honeycomb, honeypro, carbon circle)??? i think there used to be a 169 carbon circle. where did it go? the only exception seems to be the Palmer-Shape board. thanks for any info!! Rick. |
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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
"=JT=" wrote a dealer gave me a story that fitting a (palmer) board is not by height, but by weight, and told me a 165 honeypro or honeycomb would be fine for me. i am 6'4" and 200 pounds, and a size 12 boot. the 165 honeypro/honeycomb stands about a 1/2 inch below my chin. do i believe him? what do you think? Watch out for boot drag. I think a 165 Carbon Circle will beat the hell out of you the first day out if you're not an advanced rider, but it's only 257mm in waist. I'm wearing 9.5 size boots (Salomon Synapse) and on my Carbon Circle 158 I'm good. But I would be really worried about boot drag with the 12 size boots. Maybe if you also get PowerLinks you'll be fine.. So the bottom line is I personally think that with 165 CC (can't comment on Honeys) the length won't be an issue. |
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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
Baka Dasai wrote:
Height is almost totally irrelevant. The board doesn't know how tall you are. Wrong. Greater height, longer legs gives wider stance which affects performance of the board Weight is relevant, but only to board stiffness, not length. Wrong. Greater weight means more G force in turns which means more lateral force on the snow. A longer edge can provide more lateral resistance. In the tradition of rss politeness that should be: "I'm sorry, but you're wrong" ;-) -- IainD at ukme dot me dot uk |
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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
Baka Dasai wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:19:59 +0000, Iain D said (and I quote): Baka Dasai wrote: Height is almost totally irrelevant. The board doesn't know how tall you are. Wrong. Greater height, longer legs gives wider stance which affects performance of the board Damn you're being picky. Hah! Not really. Your words were that height is almost totally irrelevant - too strong I think. I'm 6 foot 6 (197 cm); my wife is 5 foot 3 (160 cm). Therefore I'm nearly 25% taller than her: If her stance is 18 inches then mine is 22 inches - if we want to have the same stability. If you want to maintain the same nose and tail lengths then that's an extra 4 inches or 10 cm on the lenght of the board due to height. OK, there are reasons why you might not add on all of that but this is not insignificant. Anyway, a wider stance could be countered by either a longer board or a modified flex pattern. Yes, but why do that (other than to help your argument). And it wouldn't help with the stability issue. And there's not necessarily a connection between rider height and stance width, Yes there is. The standard estimate for stance width is the height of your knee of the ground. If the tall person is going to be stable he needs a wide base. Think about making a high step ladder but constraining the base width to be the same as a small one - not stable. How is "lateral resistance" relevant? There are advantages to a shorter edge - it will have greater pressure per inch on it, and therefore penetrate the snow better for greater edge grip. Nope, to a first approximation the snow will resist a certain lateral force per unit of edge. The bigger rider needs more lateral resistance to follow the same track at the same speed as the smaller rider. Hence the longer edge. I'm not dismissing your points totally. I hadn't considered them, but now that I have, they seem only very minor influences on board length - much less important than the issues of terrain/turn type/snow conditions that I identified. Agreed your issues are important. But it seemed to me you dismissed the standard wisdom on choosing board lengths a bit too quickly. Trust me, I've thought about this! Cheers, Iain -- IainD at ukme dot me dot uk |
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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
"=JT=" wrote in message om... a dealer gave me a story that fitting a (palmer) board is not by height, but by weight, and told me a 165 honeypro or honeycomb would be fine for me. i am 6'4" and 200 pounds, and a size 12 boot. the 165 honeypro/honeycomb stands about a 1/2 inch below my chin. do i believe him? what do you think? (snip) thanks for any info!! Rick. Here's a short answer: I'm 6'3", 205. Bought a 165 last year. Glides well. Turns well. I don't have my bindings set at the widest stance possible on the board. All problems with performance are operator-related. John |
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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
thanks for the info. I think i will be fine with the Palmer Power
Link Plates. without the plates the honey* and carbon circle boards are just too narrow in the waist for me. the longest Carbon Circle is 164. "Dmitry" wrote in message news:gv3Qb.127064$I06.1099662@attbi_s01... "=JT=" wrote a dealer gave me a story that fitting a (palmer) board is not by height, but by weight, and told me a 165 honeypro or honeycomb would be fine for me. i am 6'4" and 200 pounds, and a size 12 boot. the 165 honeypro/honeycomb stands about a 1/2 inch below my chin. do i believe him? what do you think? Watch out for boot drag. I think a 165 Carbon Circle will beat the hell out of you the first day out if you're not an advanced rider, but it's only 257mm in waist. I'm wearing 9.5 size boots (Salomon Synapse) and on my Carbon Circle 158 I'm good. But I would be really worried about boot drag with the 12 size boots. Maybe if you also get PowerLinks you'll be fine.. So the bottom line is I personally think that with 165 CC (can't comment on Honeys) the length won't be an issue. |
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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
Wrong. Greater weight means more G force in turns which means more
lateral force on the snow. A longer edge can provide more lateral resistance. To be picky, accelleration (g) in a balanced, carved turn is determined purely by inclination. To keep balanced you have to trade angulation, speed and turn radius for eachother. The other terms, including weight, cancel out. However, given a constant effective edge, varying weight would vary lateral pressure per unit edge length. I've got no clue what snow's deformation function is like, but I'd assume it's very complex and there's some critical pressure where the snow will break free instead of just compressing down and letting you stick your edge. So longer length will give you better edge hold, and the more you weigh the longer you'll have to go to avoid overpressuring soft snow. I think I've got that all right. You can play with nate w's calculator (www.natew.com) to see what I mean. God I'm a geek, and I should definately get back to work. |
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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
Hi Jason
Wrong. Greater weight means more G force in turns which means more lateral force on the snow. A longer edge can provide more lateral resistance. To be picky, accelleration (g) in a balanced, carved turn is determined purely by inclination. To keep balanced you have to trade angulation, speed and turn radius for eachother. The other terms, including weight, cancel out. But I said force not acceleration. Force = mass x acceleration (I'm sure your recall!) Inclination determines lateral acceleration relative to gravitational acceleration - if inclination is 45 degrees then lateral acceleration equals g amd the lateral force to provide that acceleration is equal to the weight (i.e. mass time acceleration). However, given a constant effective edge, varying weight would vary lateral pressure per unit edge length. I've got no clue what snow's deformation function is like, but I'd assume it's very complex and there's some critical pressure where the snow will break free instead of just compressing down and letting you stick your edge. So longer length will give you better edge hold, and the more you weigh the longer you'll have to go to avoid overpressuring soft snow. Agreed. I think I've got that all right. You can play with nate w's calculator (www.natew.com) to see what I mean. Cool. I notice he credits Jack Michaud at Bomber online. Jack and I did this article some time ago - gosh must be 4 years now: http://www.bomberonline.com/articles/physics.cfm God I'm a geek, and I should definately get back to work. Agreed :-) -- IainD at ukme dot me dot uk |
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Most palmer boards top out at 165 length. WHY?
God I'm a geek, and I should definately get back to work.
Agreed :-) Better yet, go ride! |
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