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Walt wrote:
VtSkier wrote: Ah, yup. Got my verification today. Came down DevilsFiddle today and on the runout caught a tip on a waterbar. Snapped the heel of one ski, spun me around so that I twisted out of the other ski. Rolled once, stood up, went back and got the skis, put them on and went back to the lift. My DIN 8 setting was perfect for my ht/wt/boot sole. Yunno, that's what scares me. I just don't test my bindings under real world conditions often enough. In fact, my last pair of bindings (Look P10) came and went without ever being "battle tested" - they could've been super glued in for all I know. With regard to "real world" conditions. From what I've seen, only Marker and Tyrolia have "active" AFD's (anti friction devices). The Marker variant moves in the same direction as the twist out activated by the toepiece while the Tyrolia variant is a simpler rubber band affair that rotates around a plate just back of the toepiece. All other bindings use some variant of a teflon slider. The bindings I was on Sunday were my Tyrolias on the Fischers. My Volkls come with Markers. The previous notwithstanding, I have used and loved Salomon bindings for years. Mostly because the skis I have bought came with them. Given a choice, I'll go with Marker or Tyrolia from now on. Oh, and I have no trouble staying in either one of these bindings. It seems that "real world" likes things that may not be affected by grit and boot sole wear. VtSkier |
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VtSkier wrote:
With regard to "real world" conditions. From what I've seen, only Marker and Tyrolia have "active" AFD's (anti friction devices). Look/Rossi also have active AFD's. They look like Salomon-style passive teflon AFD's but they actually move, like the Tyrolias & Markers. That said, I don't think Look/Rossi's technology is as hip as Marker/Tyrolia. I was on Look for a little while because my Dynastars required them (i.e. no other brand would fit). Now the Dynastars are gone, along with the Looks. The Marker variant moves in the same direction as the twist out activated by the toepiece while the Tyrolia variant is a simpler rubber band affair that rotates around a plate just back of the toepiece. All other bindings use some variant of a teflon slider. The bindings I was on Sunday were my Tyrolias on the Fischers. My Volkls come with Markers. The previous notwithstanding, I have used and loved Salomon bindings for years. Mostly because the skis I have bought came with them. Given a choice, I'll go with Marker or Tyrolia from now on. Oh, and I have no trouble staying in either one of these bindings. It seems that "real world" likes things that may not be affected by grit and boot sole wear. yup. -- //-Walt // // There is no Völkl Conspiracy |
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Walt wrote:
VtSkier wrote: With regard to "real world" conditions. From what I've seen, only Marker and Tyrolia have "active" AFD's (anti friction devices). Look/Rossi also have active AFD's. They look like Salomon-style passive teflon AFD's but they actually move, like the Tyrolias & Markers. Didn't know that. I thought they were actually fixed teflon. It's been a while since I've worked in a shop ('94-'95) and Killington hadn't switched to Rossi bindings at that time for their rentals. That said, I don't think Look/Rossi's technology is as hip as Marker/Tyrolia. I was on Look for a little while because my Dynastars required them (i.e. no other brand would fit). Now the Dynastars are gone, along with the Looks. The original Look technology was the full flexing toe piece with no "in" or "out" detent, stolen by Salomon (and slightly improved with "spheric" technology). The heel pieces retain this technology but the toe pieces are snap type toes borrowed from Geze and others, or at least the Rossi variant is this toe piece, I haven't actually looked hard at a Look toepiece in years. The Nevada II toe and Nevada heel were marvels of their time, the middle '60's. The Marker variant moves in the same direction as the twist out activated by the toepiece while the Tyrolia variant is a simpler rubber band affair that rotates around a plate just back of the toepiece. All other bindings use some variant of a teflon slider. The bindings I was on Sunday were my Tyrolias on the Fischers. My Volkls come with Markers. The previous notwithstanding, I have used and loved Salomon bindings for years. Mostly because the skis I have bought came with them. Given a choice, I'll go with Marker or Tyrolia from now on. Oh, and I have no trouble staying in either one of these bindings. It seems that "real world" likes things that may not be affected by grit and boot sole wear. yup. |
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VtSkier wrote:
It may have broken parts. I've actually broken binding while testing them because of plastic fatigue (I actually got good at predicting what binding might break and told the customer up front). Yep. For instance, the heel step-in tab would break off some lines of older Salomons after a few years. Irritating, since the binding would still work fine, except you had to reach down and cock the heel piece into place. Last time a tab broke on me while the shop was testing I just had them go to their discard box and pick another likely pair of bindings for about $30 + free mount and test. Turned out to be only slightly more than the test alone I came in for. Some shops keep customer discard bindings to resale to knowledgable people. Customers will come in for a re-mount for the craziest reasons - I particularly like those interested in color coordinating their bindings - brand new bindings end up in the discard box. They also have nearly new demo bindings in the box - when the demo fleet manager decides to go to another line of bindings, all the old demo bindings get tossed - my shop manager saves the newer ones. Sometimes I've found a pair of skis I think others might be interested in trying, so I have them mounted with demo bindings. One pair of my DHs are, and the Miller Soft's likely will be so mounted. |
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lal_truckee wrote:
VtSkier wrote: It may have broken parts. I've actually broken binding while testing them because of plastic fatigue (I actually got good at predicting what binding might break and told the customer up front). Yep. For instance, the heel step-in tab would break off some lines of older Salomons after a few years. Irritating, since the binding would still work fine, except you had to reach down and cock the heel piece into place. Last time a tab broke on me while the shop was testing I just had them go to their discard box and pick another likely pair of bindings for about $30 + free mount and test. Turned out to be only slightly more than the test alone I came in for. Some shops keep customer discard bindings to resale to knowledgable people. Customers will come in for a re-mount for the craziest reasons - I particularly like those interested in color coordinating their bindings - brand new bindings end up in the discard box. They also have nearly new demo bindings in the box - when the demo fleet manager decides to go to another line of bindings, all the old demo bindings get tossed - my shop manager saves the newer ones. Sometimes I've found a pair of skis I think others might be interested in trying, so I have them mounted with demo bindings. One pair of my DHs are, and the Miller Soft's likely will be so mounted. Further, with Salomon anyway, many of their "rental" binding are identical to their retail bindings. The track only is longer. You slide the heel piece off the track of your retail binding and slip the heel piece of the rental binding onto the retail track. Slicker than snot on a doorknob. Toepieces are identical in any case between retail and rental as long as you don't covet those movable toes on demo skis. They are fine as far as they go, but for instance, a woman would like the toepiece in the same location that a man with a large foot would like it, so why bother. It also make the setup much heavier. On another front. I'm sitting here typing away with a "new" pair of Raichle Flexon boots on my feet to see where they will need to be pushed. So far only the little toe bunions are doing much shouting. The original pair were of the "racing" caliber. Skied beautifly but killed the feet. The new ones are Flexon Pro model. Actually the same size (28.5) but with a bigger shell and cushier liner. The racing boots have a 318mm sole length for a size 28-28.5, the Pros have a 326mm sole length and a noticibly roomier toe box. I still think I'll bring the AT boots again when I come out in Feb. But this time I'll bring my own skis. VtSkier |
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