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Concerning (1), the training issue is exactly an example of the point
about the differences between skating and classical. But to take it further, why is that when faced with considerable new snow citizen skate racers consider whether to switch over to classical technique? This was being anticipated Birkie week and the comment was always that striding might be easier. Concerning (2), I suggest some testing of your own, assuming good technique. Gene "Peter H." wrote: I just now got to look at this thread, and have a little trouble following: "These posts are from 1996 yet still seem to hold up well for the most part. Peter H might want to take a look at the second article in light of the recent discussion about the physiology of skating and striding." I'm not sure which posts Gene refers to here. Seiler's web site I've known about for a long time, but can't see anything there to educate me further about the two questions on which Gene and I apparently still don't entirely agree : (1) what it means to say that classic elicits a lower HR than skating (not to be, as it sometimes is, confused with saying that training more hours at classical is better than more hours at skating, possibly because you can keep the HR lower while climbing, during LSD training) ; and (2) whether there could be any useful sense made out of saying that offset uses more upper body than 1-skate (though the exact negation of that is true IMHO, and a useful factoid, when faced with not-too-steep climbs and fresher legs than arms, say). "There have been a few changes in technique since then that might modify his comments here or there. I also suspect that stride cadence - and not just stride length - has become a differentiating variable at at least the top levels. For example, watch Becky Scott and Julia Tchepalova relative to others on the climbs at Canmore. This may be a function of the trend in recent years toward steeper climbs on repeating shorter loops (done for cutting costs and easier TV access and spectator viewing)." That's a good and interesting observation, new to me! I think the WC have also jacked up the accumulated elevation gain per unit distance over the past 10 years as well. There was an interesting exchange with John Estle here about this quite some time ago. The cadence of a few of those 500 meter long track skaters seems almost super-human to me! Best, Peter |
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Gene wrote:
"Concerning (1), the training issue is exactly an example of the point about the differences between skating and classical. But to take it further, why is that when faced with considerable new snow citizen skate racers consider whether to switch over to classical technique? This was being anticipated Birkie week and the comment was always that striding might be easier." Surely mid- to back-of-the-packers like ourselves are tempted to switch to classical in fresh snow because we know there will be lots of front-of-the-packers skiing the track in for us, and so our times will compare more favourably to the fast classical skiers than they should. So, as scientific evidence that classical elicits a lower HR in racing than skating does, that falls somewhat short of convincing. In skating, it takes a lot more than some front-runners to speed things up---they generally slow things down on the steeper climbs when conditions are soft. Best, Peter |
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