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Hoffman's High Hemologin Values
Does any of our Scandinavian friends know about Christian Hoffman
being recently banned from racing for 14 days because of high hemoglobin values. I was reading Jenex's website and they mentioned this. I know he finished in the top 3 recently in a World Cup event. It reminds me of 1999 when the Austrians with Hoffman and Botvinow beat the Norwegians in the World Championship Relay. I smelled a rat then and at Salt Lake too. Hoffman and Botwinow won Olympic Medals there I believe in the 30km Free. This prevented Bjorndalen the Biathlete from medaling along with another Norwegian. |
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Hoffman's High Hemologin Values
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:49:37 -0700 (PDT), ADK Skier
wrote: Does any of our Scandinavian friends know about Christian Hoffman being recently banned from racing for 14 days because of high hemoglobin values. I was reading Jenex's website and they mentioned this. I know he finished in the top 3 recently in a World Cup event. It reminds me of 1999 when the Austrians with Hoffman and Botvinow beat the Norwegians in the World Championship Relay. I smelled a rat then and at Salt Lake too. Kikkan Randall and Leif Zimmerman of the US team got blood value related suspensions in 2006. Did you smell anything then? I don't think it's good to judge people based on high Hg values. If you've got other reasons to suspect them, then maybe.... |
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Hoffman's High Hemologin Values
I'll stay out of that one. Some February lab test results - in the
midst of races - showed my Hemoglobin count to be 16.1 g/dl, which is just below what I think is the current FIS limit of 16.5 for males (14.5 for women), and got me to wondering. I do live at 5000' and typically train and race up to about 6600,' which would run up the number a bit. In any case, this thread led me to do a google search on "high hemoglobin values cross country ski." The first few result pages have some very informative articles and studies about the history of doping in x-c skiing, hemoglobin count changes over time among competitors, and even some specific recommendations to athletes from the IOC Medical Cmte about how to take official blood tests (their suggestions dovetail with Jim Stray-Gunderson's 2006 criticisms of hemoglobin criteria at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olymp...xpelled_x.htm). Gene John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:49:37 -0700 (PDT), ADK Skier wrote: Does any of our Scandinavian friends know about Christian Hoffman being recently banned from racing for 14 days because of high hemoglobin values. I was reading Jenex's website and they mentioned this. I know he finished in the top 3 recently in a World Cup event. It reminds me of 1999 when the Austrians with Hoffman and Botvinow beat the Norwegians in the World Championship Relay. I smelled a rat then and at Salt Lake too. Kikkan Randall and Leif Zimmerman of the US team got blood value related suspensions in 2006. Did you smell anything then? I don't think it's good to judge people based on high Hg values. If you've got other reasons to suspect them, then maybe.... |
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Hoffman's High Hemologin Values
ADK Skier wrote:
Does any of our Scandinavian friends know about Christian Hoffman being recently banned from racing for 14 days because of high hemoglobin values. I was reading Jenex's website and they mentioned this. I know he finished in the top 3 recently in a World Cup event. The real problem wasn't a high hemo value, but the wrong ratio between what I understadn to be "live" hemo and the breakdown byproducts. Supposedly the only way to achieve this is to artificially increase the first number, but since all testing have found him otherwise clean, we have to assume that's true. Terje -- - Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Hoffman's High Hemologin Values
On Mar 23, 3:11*pm, Terje Mathisen "terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"
wrote: ADK Skier wrote: Does any of our Scandinavian friends know about Christian Hoffman being recently banned from racing for 14 days because of high hemoglobin values. I was reading Jenex's website and they mentioned this. I know he finished in the top 3 recently in a World Cup event. The real problem wasn't a high hemo value, but the wrong ratio between what I understadn to be "live" hemo and the breakdown byproducts. Supposedly the only way to achieve this is to artificially increase the first number, but since all testing have found him otherwise clean, we have to assume that's true. Terje -- - Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" Thanks Terje. The Jenex article said Hoffman has been measuring high on several occassions recently. The history of the Austrian Team with coaches supporting doping and the transfusion equipment found in their apartment in Salt Lake is what sets off a red flag. I understand they had a coach who was banned from any contact with races or athletes and kept showing up where Austrian Athletes were staying. |
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Hoffman's High Hemologin Values
On Mar 23, 9:11*pm, Terje Mathisen "terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"
wrote: The real problem wasn't a high hemo value, but the wrong ratio between what I understand to be "live" hemo and the breakdown byproducts. Quite frankly I don't know what I'm talking about, but the news item I read specified the ratio between hemoglobin and reticulocytes (or freshly formed red blood cells). The "full dope" on the "Refined rules for start prohibition" is he http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/news/press...c-program.html Supposedly the only way to achieve this is to artificially increase the first number, but since all testing have found him otherwise clean, we have to assume that's true. According to the Austrian Ski Federation, a test done on Friday - a day after the FIS test that led to Hoffman becoming the historical "first" under the new rule - produced "normal" results. Since the FIS test must have been in error or carried out improperly, they now demand that the ban be removed immediately and that the rule must be reconsidered. "The Austrian anti-doping expert Hans Holdhaus fully agrees with these opinions." Meanwhile, in a completely unrelated development, the former coach Walter Mayer was arrested late Sunday night by ten agents of the Bundeskriminalamt in connection with a case involving a 32-year-old cyclist, a Viennese pharmacist, a suspended pediatric oncologist and EPO. Anders |
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Hoffman's High Hemologin Values
On Mar 24, 3:32*am, Lustig wrote:
On Mar 23, 9:11*pm, Terje Mathisen "terje.mathisen at tmsw.no" wrote: The real problem wasn't a high hemo value, but the wrong ratio between what I understand to be "live" hemo and the breakdown byproducts. Quite frankly I don't know what I'm talking about, but the news item I read specified the ratio between hemoglobin and reticulocytes (or freshly formed red blood cells). The "full dope" on the "Refined rules for start prohibition" is hehttp://www.fis-ski.com/uk/news/press...ases-2009/libe... Supposedly the only way to achieve this is to artificially increase the first number, but since all testing have found him otherwise clean, we have to assume that's true. According to the Austrian Ski Federation, a test done on Friday - a day after the FIS test that led to Hoffman becoming the historical "first" under the new rule - produced "normal" results. Since the FIS test must have been in error or carried out improperly, they now demand that the ban be removed immediately and that the rule must be reconsidered. "The Austrian anti-doping expert Hans Holdhaus fully agrees with these opinions." Meanwhile, in a completely unrelated development, the former coach Walter Mayer was arrested late Sunday night by ten agents of the Bundeskriminalamt in connection with a case involving a 32-year-old cyclist, a Viennese pharmacist, a suspended pediatric oncologist and EPO. Anders Yes, I read about Mayer in todays paper as well. I confess I'm bias in my support for the Norwegian Ski Team. At the 1994 Olympics, and 1999 worlds I felt the Norwegians were unstoppable in the relay. In Salt Lake I was cheering for Bjorndalen to be the first Biathlete to medal in cross country. I shouldn't assume anyone is doping without proof. Vegard Ulvang commented after the 1994 Olympic relay loss to Italy that Norwegians need to expect to lose sometimes. Sounds like good advice. |
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