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Blind me with beer science
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all.
I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return "home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from, but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of the fridge they were chilling in. Can anyone explain this? Chris |
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On Feb 22, 7:52 pm, "bumpfreaq" wrote:
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all. I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return "home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from, but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of the fridge they were chilling in. Can anyone explain this? Chris Any significant difference in alcohol content ? |
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"bumpfreaq" wrote in message oups.com...
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all. I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return "home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from, but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of the fridge they were chilling in. Can anyone explain this? Chris Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's. Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's. Could be both. |
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Blind me with beer science
bumpfreaq wrote:
Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all. I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return "home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from, but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of the fridge they were chilling in. Can anyone explain this? The freezing point changes with pressure and alcohol content. When you open the bottle, the pressure drops and the freezing point goes up. If the beer is cold enough, and alcohol content low enough, it will freeze. If the alcohol content is high enough, the change in pressure doesn't raise the freezing point enough to freeze. Physics of beer. -klaus |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:32 -0500, "John R. Copeland"
wrote: "bumpfreaq" wrote in message oups.com... Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all. I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return "home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from, but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of the fridge they were chilling in. Can anyone explain this? Chris Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's. Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's. Could be both. The alcohol content makes sense to me. But, while I can see how the higher CO2 pressure would keep the O'Dell's from freezing while sealed, I'm not clear on how it would prompt freezing when the pressure is released. (Not playing "gotcha", just geniunely curious) I have't had the O'Dell's, but IMHO the Sierra Nevada doesn't need to be anywhere near freezing to be palatable. bw |
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On Feb 22, 9:57 pm, "Yabahoobs" wrote:
On Feb 22, 7:52 pm, "bumpfreaq" wrote: Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all. I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return "home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from, but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of the fridge they were chilling in. Can anyone explain this? Chris Any significant difference in alcohol content ? O'Dell's 5.5 SN 5.6 |
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On Feb 22, 8:10 pm, "John R. Copeland"
wrote: "bumpfreaq" wrote in ooglegroups.com... Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all. I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return "home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from, but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of the fridge they were chilling in. Can anyone explain this? Chris Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's. Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's. Could be both. The insti freezing of the O'dells means that the extra pressure of those bottles allowed the beer to cool beyond it's normal atmospheric pressure freeze point. when that pressure was release it was allowed to freeze. Also, once that pressure was released, ice formation and decreased temp is favored entropicly |
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On Feb 22, 10:23 pm, bdubya wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:10:32 -0500, "John R. Copeland" wrote: "bumpfreaq" wrote in ooglegroups.com... Ok, here's a sciency query for y'all. I get to my motel with plenty of beer. I've got Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Sierra Nevada Wheat and O'Dell's 5 Barrel Pale Ale. The mini fridge isn't quite chilly enough so I ratchet the thermostat down a bit then load in the bottles, filling up each available space in turn but rotating the different flavors so that I have ready access to whatever suits my momentary fancy. The next evening when I return "home" from skiing I select a wheat beer and it's quite frosty. Next up is a SNPA, of course it's mighty chilly as well. When I get to the O'Dell's it instantly freezes as soon as I open it. This remains the case for each O'Dell's no matter what part of the fridge it came from, but is never the case for the other two brews no matter what part of the fridge they were chilling in. Can anyone explain this? Chris Could be lower alcohol content in O'Dell's. Could be higher CO2 pressure in O'Dell's. Could be both. The alcohol content makes sense to me. But, while I can see how the higher CO2 pressure would keep the O'Dell's from freezing while sealed, I'm not clear on how it would prompt freezing when the pressure is released. (Not playing "gotcha", just geniunely curious) I have't had the O'Dell's, but IMHO the Sierra Nevada doesn't need to be anywhere near freezing to be palatable. bw Yeah, I'm definitely in agreement on that one. The motel fridge thermostat was a bit jankity. I made another quick adjustment. Chris |
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If the beer is cold enough, and alcohol content low enough, it will
freeze. If the alcohol content is high enough, the change in pressure doesn't raise the freezing point enough to freeze. Physics of beer. -klaus To a point. There would be a sigmoidal curve (freeze point-x vs. alcohol content y) approaching, but never hitting the freeze point of ethanol. |
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Yabahoobs wrote:
To a point. There would be a sigmoidal curve (freeze point-x vs. alcohol content y) approaching, but never hitting the freeze point of ethanol. Yes. But this is why they put methanol in windshield washer fluid. But yah know.. looking at the phase diagram for water, I think you were right about the adiabatic cooling being the culprit and the pressure differemce as the reason, especially considering that the alcohol content of the two beers is pretty close. Incresed pressure would normally mean it would freeze at a warmer temp. So I think I was confused. -klaus |
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