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Scratch one snowboarder
On 01/01/2011 05:30 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 12/31/10 10:41, Bob F wrote: pigo wrote: Mine says "stopped in middle of run". And it appears that the helmet issue was in question but now it's determined that she was wearing one. Where exactly is it appropriate for someone who loses their equipment to stop? Most people choose a spot very near where they lose their equipment, if they have any choice. You gather up your stuff as quickly as you can and you get the hell over to the side. You DON'T stay out in the middle to rest or chat or take pictures or whatever the hell else you might do besides gathering up your stuff as quickly as you can and getting the hell over to the side. That's the ideal and what your or I would do. But consider. If you have only lost a ski and it's close by, it is probably quicker to put the ski back on to get to the side of the trail. If you have lost anything else and it's not close by, you have no choice but to retrieve the lost items. Then, those who regularly fall and need to rise or need to rise, collect equipment and put it back on are usually those who don't have enough experience to know there is danger from above. Whether I'm working or not, I will stop above a downed skier and wait and guard his/her back while she/he collects him/herself and moves on. If it's a snowboarder stopped sitting in the middle of the trail facing downhill, I will stop and in my sternest voice recommend that for his/her own safety he/she stand up and move on or at least move to the side of the trail to smoke that cigarette in a location where he/she can see up the hill. At Killington I'm within my rights to do this and have management back me up if someone complains. Management in this case would be head of ski patrol first who is good at explaining to people why they are stupid without angering them. He's good. It seems to me to be fairly easy to get skiers to stop at the side of the trail. It seems almost natural. If a snowboarder is in a little trouble, he will begin to heel skid wherever he is, and frequently loose balance to the rear and sit down. From that position and location (facing downhill and anywhere) will light up a cigarette with an "I meant to do that" attitude. I have many friends who ride. The are all good riders and have paid their dues. Many are converts from skiing (I have pity on them). But they know the etiquette and self-preservation behavior of the hill. They would no more sit facing downhill in the middle of the trail than I would. However, after 3 days of experience and (I hope) lessons, most any athletic person can ride a snowboard from the top of most any ski area and get down adequately. Snowboard is said to be hard to learn, but the learning curve once you 'get it' is very steep. You get technically proficient rapidly and don't get a chance to pay your dues along the way like skiers do with a gentler learning curve and more time to watch what others who have more experience do and say. I think there ought to be a way where if we see someone doing something stupid on the hill where we can issue a citation and clip a ticket. The only way to get the ticket back is to sit through a safety indoctrination of varying length. The length varies according to the number and severity of the 'offenses' You won't stop all 'accidents' this way, but I think it would go a long way toward reducing the incidence of collision type crashes. By the way there are no accidents only inappropriately applied force. So calling them "crashes" is calling a spade a spade. It sounds like the kid was wearing a helmet, but it sounds like it may not have been proper attached, not that that would have made any difference. "Internal injuries" probably doesn't mean something that a helmet would help. |
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Scratch one snowboarder
On Jan 1, 4:50*pm, VtSkier wrote:
On 01/01/2011 05:30 PM, The Real Bev wrote: On 12/31/10 10:41, Bob F wrote: pigo wrote: Mine says "stopped in middle of run". And it appears that the helmet issue was in question but now it's determined that she was wearing one. Where exactly is it appropriate for someone who loses their equipment to stop? Most people choose a spot very near where they lose their equipment, if they have any choice. You gather up your stuff as quickly as you can and you get the hell over to the side. You DON'T stay out in the middle to rest or chat or take pictures or whatever the hell else you might do besides gathering up your stuff as quickly as you can and getting the hell over to the side. That's the ideal and what your or I would do. Bull****. Then, those who regularly fall and need to rise or need to rise, collect equipment and put it back on are usually those who don't have enough experience to know there is danger from above. One thing for su you know there is danger if you ever try to make good on your death threats. Whether I'm working or not, I will stop above a downed skier and wait and guard his/her back while she/he collects him/herself and moves on. Bull****. You're not that considerate. You're a psychopathic pathological liar. If it's a snowboarder stopped sitting in the middle of the trail facing downhill, I will stop and in my sternest voice recommend that for his/her own safety he/she stand up and move on or at least move to the side of the trail to smoke that cigarette in a location where he/she can see up the hill. Oooooooohhhhhhh. You have a stern voice? I can't wait to hear it. What is it, a squeak like a chipmunk? At Killington I'm within my rights to do this and have management back me up if someone complains. Management in this case would be head of ski patrol first who is good at explaining to people why they are stupid without angering them. He's good. Rights are kewl. If I ever see you in real life, since you have threatened my life, I will be delighted to show you what I am within my rights to do to you., |
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