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In message , Colin Irvine
writes 1. I'm going with 2 girls. Neither has any skiing equipment but I have an old nevica all-in-one suit that fits one of them perfectly. Some mountain toilets in Europe are hole-in-the-ground. I'd avoid one-pieces if you can. And that's from a bloke! The women should avoid one-pieces at all costs, unless they're happy to undress in the queue like the Germans - there may not be room to undress in the cubicles. Salopettes and braces are even worse as you have to hold your jacket while struggling with shoulder straps. Trousers can and do hold themselves up. Also, they'll care what they look like. Don't offer style advice, but warn them to avoid pale-coloured trousers which show every mark (and every cowpat if you're really unlucky) and can't be cleaned mid week. -- Sue ];( |
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"NIALLBRUCE" wrote in message
... I live in Aberdeen. There's a few outdoor shops nearby but they're all very expensive. I've found a few websites in the US that seem to offer a good deal. ArcTeryx Sidewinder AR Jacket is over £400 in the UK but works out at £270 inc. delivery from the US (although I might be stung with taxes). I'm quite tempted - all the reviews suggest that it's an amazing jacket. On the other hand, the local stores have lots of products around £100 - £150 with Gore-Tex XCR and seemingly as many features as the more expensive jackets. Has outdoor clothing come down in price over the past couple of years? I don't think that I could have bought a decent jacket for under £150 a few years ago! I'm now trying to decide between ArcTeryx and Mountain Hardwear. Any reviews would be great!! Niall here's my tuppence worth: It does rain in the Alps, even in January, as I have learnt to my uncomfortable cost. If you are in ski school then you will be outside in it and probably at low altitude. Goretex type rainproofs have come down in price, I guess because there are some good alternatives to the real McCoy. I suggest getting low cost trousers with a waterproof membrane such as Columbia or the range in Blacks/Millets and a waterproof membrane shell garment, that does not have to be ski specific. I would advise against a padded jacket, especially for beginners as they tend to work much harder when they are fighting the slope! However, ladies do seem to be more sensitive to cold so one or more fleeces would be advisable. If the conditions are set fair and not to cold I like to use a windstopper or windbloc fleece as my outer garment. As for your jacket I guess that they will all work well. I would choose on style/price. I have a pair of Eider goretex XCR pants, bought after a third consecutive rainy ski holiday. They work very well, as it hasn't rained on me since I bought them ;-). They have stopped my bum from getting wet on snowy chairs. Hope this ramble helps. Rod |
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"Sue" wrote in message ... In message , Colin Irvine writes 1. I'm going with 2 girls. Neither has any skiing equipment but I have an old nevica all-in-one suit that fits one of them perfectly. Some mountain toilets in Europe are hole-in-the-ground. I'd avoid one-pieces if you can. And that's from a bloke! The women should avoid one-pieces at all costs, unless they're happy to undress in the queue like the Germans - there may not be room to undress in the cubicles. Salopettes and braces are even worse as you have to hold your jacket while struggling with shoulder straps. Trousers can and do hold themselves up. Also, they'll care what they look like. Don't offer style advice, but warn them to avoid pale-coloured trousers which show every mark (and every cowpat if you're really unlucky) and can't be cleaned mid week. -- Sue ];( Nevica one piece eh? http://www.fluorescentrompersuits.co.uk/ Always worth a browse at this time of year. |
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"Colin Irvine" wrote in message
... On 08 Oct 2004 22:27:09 GMT, (NIALLBRUCE) squeezed out the following: I'm going on a skiing holiday this coming winter with a few friends and would like to buy some equipment. However, I'm definately not an expert and would greatly appreciate some advice! 1. I'm going with 2 girls. Neither has any skiing equipment but I have an old nevica all-in-one suit that fits one of them perfectly. Some mountain toilets in Europe are hole-in-the-ground. I'd avoid one-pieces if you can. The advantage of one piece suits is that they dont let snow it at the waist, perhaps a more important consideration for a beginner. I, wife and daughter all wear one piece suits, and we have been to many resorts, though few in Italy. Good mittens (or maybe gloves are important). I also wear long thermal underpants. Michael Chare |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:33:37 +0100, "Michael Chare"
squeezed out the following: "Colin Irvine" wrote in message .. . On 08 Oct 2004 22:27:09 GMT, (NIALLBRUCE) squeezed out the following: I'm going on a skiing holiday this coming winter with a few friends and would like to buy some equipment. However, I'm definately not an expert and would greatly appreciate some advice! 1. I'm going with 2 girls. Neither has any skiing equipment but I have an old nevica all-in-one suit that fits one of them perfectly. Some mountain toilets in Europe are hole-in-the-ground. I'd avoid one-pieces if you can. The advantage of one piece suits is that they dont let snow it at the waist, perhaps a more important consideration for a beginner. True, a beginner is more likely to get snow in at the waist than have to dive into a hole-in-the-ground toilet with the runs. The consequences of these, however, are of different magnitudes altogether. -- Colin Irvine |
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NIALLBRUCE wrote:
I live in Aberdeen. There's a few outdoor shops nearby but they're all very expensive. I've found a few websites in the US that seem to offer a good deal. ArcTeryx Sidewinder AR Jacket is over £400 in the UK but works out at £270 inc. delivery from the US (although I might be stung with taxes). I'm quite tempted - all the reviews suggest that it's an amazing jacket. ArcTryx is good stuff. I bought one last year in Vancouver and it kept me warm and dry in some of the most bizare and difficult conditions I've ever seen (from -20 degrees and 1m of fresh snow, through to rain, +4 degrees and deep slush and then to hard ice and back to -20 in the space of 4 days). Personally I wouldn't bother with one if it's just for a week per year, but if you are planning on skiing/hiking/climbing/sitting in the rain for no good reason etc they are fantastic jackets. If you can justify the cost I'd recommend them. If you are a novice you'd better be prepared for some snide remarks from the lifties if you turn up with a £400 jacket though... On the other hand, the local stores have lots of products around £100 - £150 with Gore-Tex XCR and seemingly as many features as the more expensive jackets. Probably fine for a weeks skiing holiday. Has outdoor clothing come down in price over the past couple of years? I don't think that I could have bought a decent jacket for under £150 a few years ago! Maybe, but the high end stuff has gone up I reckon. I'm now trying to decide between ArcTeryx and Mountain Hardwear. Any reviews would be great!! Both great brands, so are Patagonia & Lowe. I'm not so keen on North Face, but that's more a snobish attitude 'cos they've gone all mass-market than any sensible opinion, I'm sure the gear is still good. Trouble is once you've blown £400 on a jacket you'll want the pants to match (£200+ at least), some decent thermals (£50) a nice fleece (£100), a Da Kine HeliPro rucksac (£55)... I'll stop there, but believe me it goes on. Getting hooked on crack would be a cheaper habit. By the way, you didn't mention gloves. I reckon it's worth investing here, cold hands are not good. I splashed a lot of money a few years ago on a pair of Patagonia Nitros and they are fantastic. I really recommend you don't skimp on the gloves, get waterproof outers with removable fleece inners (so they can dry over night). Beginners need good gloves more than experts because they spend more time picking their equipment, and themselves, out of the snow:-) HTH. Steve |
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Was in Blacks in Manchester on Monday, and they had 50% most of the ski gear
in there. Fancied a Columbia jacket that was going for £85 but they didn't have my size ( Might be worth trying a local Blacks? "NIALLBRUCE" wrote in message ... I'm going on a skiing holiday this coming winter with a few friends and would like to buy some equipment. However, I'm definately not an expert and would greatly appreciate some advice! 1. I'm going with 2 girls. Neither has any skiing equipment but I have an old nevica all-in-one suit that fits one of them perfectly. a) Should the nevica jacket be used or are the £40-£50 jackets in the shops just as good / better? I understand that it's definately not in vogue but surely the nevica's still a technically good jacket? It also saves money on salopettes! How does it compare with the relatively cheap options currently available? It's not too bright (just has some bright rectangles in random locations!) b) One of the girls, at least, has to buy completely new ski-wear. They're both beginners but I think that they will start skiing as a hobby once we've returned from holiday. What are the 'cheap' jackets like? The label says that they're breathable but are they really suitable for skiing? Do they constitute a good buy or are the more expensive models a better investment? c) Are there any shops / brands that we should look out for? I was very impressed with the sale in nevisport last year. Unfortunately, we're going before the sales this season so will have to suffer the full cost of clothing. Makro has some cheap jackets - again, I don't know what they're like. I really just want to know whether the cheaper alternatives are up to the job! We're going to Courmayeur (high-resort) in January so I think that it will be quite cold. I'm also looking for a new jacket. Unlike the girls, I am likely to use mine as an all-purpose jacket. I'd like something that looks good in the pub but is also technically capable. I've done some research in a few shops, and on the net, but would really like to know what is and what's not good. a) Is the new gore-tex stretch material worth the extra money? There's a few jackets in my local store with this technology but they're quite expensive (£270?). b) I liked the North Face jacket in the shop but the sales assistant said that 'Cold Mountain' was a better brand. I didn't know whether or not to believe him. Is it possible to distinguish brands as being good or bad? It was a North Face summit series - apparently this is their best jacket?? c) Are the very expensive jackets (one was called ArcTeryx) worth the expense? They didn't necessarily have the best technology but online reviews suggest that they're still the favoured option. I'm really confused!! I really don't know how to advise the girls (and am really stuck myself). Any advice on this area would be greatly appreciated! In particular, if there's a website or shop that has some good deals etc, I'd love to know!! Thanks in advance Niall --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004 |
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Incidentally, was in the Liverpool branch of blacks today, and there was NO
sale stuff at all so it may be worth ringing if you have far to go. (Maybe they've sent all the sale stuff to certain branches)???? "Charlatan" wrote in message ... Was in Blacks in Manchester on Monday, and they had 50% most of the ski gear in there. Fancied a Columbia jacket that was going for £85 but they didn't have my size ( Might be worth trying a local Blacks? "NIALLBRUCE" wrote in message ... I'm going on a skiing holiday this coming winter with a few friends and would like to buy some equipment. However, I'm definately not an expert and would greatly appreciate some advice! 1. I'm going with 2 girls. Neither has any skiing equipment but I have an old nevica all-in-one suit that fits one of them perfectly. a) Should the nevica jacket be used or are the £40-£50 jackets in the shops just as good / better? I understand that it's definately not in vogue but surely the nevica's still a technically good jacket? It also saves money on salopettes! How does it compare with the relatively cheap options currently available? It's not too bright (just has some bright rectangles in random locations!) b) One of the girls, at least, has to buy completely new ski-wear. They're both beginners but I think that they will start skiing as a hobby once we've returned from holiday. What are the 'cheap' jackets like? The label says that they're breathable but are they really suitable for skiing? Do they constitute a good buy or are the more expensive models a better investment? c) Are there any shops / brands that we should look out for? I was very impressed with the sale in nevisport last year. Unfortunately, we're going before the sales this season so will have to suffer the full cost of clothing. Makro has some cheap jackets - again, I don't know what they're like. I really just want to know whether the cheaper alternatives are up to the job! We're going to Courmayeur (high-resort) in January so I think that it will be quite cold. I'm also looking for a new jacket. Unlike the girls, I am likely to use mine as an all-purpose jacket. I'd like something that looks good in the pub but is also technically capable. I've done some research in a few shops, and on the net, but would really like to know what is and what's not good. a) Is the new gore-tex stretch material worth the extra money? There's a few jackets in my local store with this technology but they're quite expensive (£270?). b) I liked the North Face jacket in the shop but the sales assistant said that 'Cold Mountain' was a better brand. I didn't know whether or not to believe him. Is it possible to distinguish brands as being good or bad? It was a North Face summit series - apparently this is their best jacket?? c) Are the very expensive jackets (one was called ArcTeryx) worth the expense? They didn't necessarily have the best technology but online reviews suggest that they're still the favoured option. I'm really confused!! I really don't know how to advise the girls (and am really stuck myself). Any advice on this area would be greatly appreciated! In particular, if there's a website or shop that has some good deals etc, I'd love to know!! Thanks in advance Niall --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004 |
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Having gone through the price range of clothing available for the last
20 years or so I can wholeheartedly support previous comments - spend as much as you can afford - then a bit more - a cheap 'showerproof' jacket is absolutely no good in cold wet and windy winter conditions - two or three falls or even a sit down will soak you through and lead to discomfort for the whole day. If you can stretch to Gore-tex, do it - it is well worth it and certainly wearable at home (I know - I have two). Gore-tex is truly waterPROOF'- you will not get wet whatever happens. I have used Gore-Tex for over 10 years and cannot recommend it highly enough when compared to alternate ski wear- my tip -check out 'TOG24' - British made and excellent value. They've a good website. One more thing - make sure you have a good hat - most important - forget fashion in the mountains - keep warm - stay warm. There's no such thing as cold weather - only the wrong clothes (Billly Connolly) Sorry if I've gone on a bit - I feel very passionate about this sort of thing having almost frozen my *** off before in cheap clothing..... |
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