Jackson Hole Sucks

John Red-Horse wrote:

Actually, I remember that.

My point was:

Look Around
Be Aware
Remember

Oh and pits are overrated.

That's just mitigation at the personal level. On a more mundane level,
there's group behavior. The firefighters have this figured out... Help
me out here Bob.. BCES? Buddy, Communication, Escape Route, Safety
Zone?? Something like that anyway, right?

I disagree with klaus that the discussions were more fun than watching the
Super Bowl, but I missed that anyway for different reasons.

I'm just not much of a football fan. Although if I'd known there were
going to be boobs involved...

-klaus

klaus wrote:

I'm just not much of a football fan. Although if I'd known there were
going to be boobs involved...

When football is played there are always boobs involved.

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:41:23 +0000, BrritSki
wrote this crap:


I saw Jackson's boob during the halftime show. I have yet to see
Jackson's Hole.

I wondered how long it would take for this joke to hit. My over/under was
at Monday 11PM.

Has anyone suggested yet that it was a stunt to prove that Janet and
Michael are different people ?

I thought LaToya and Michael were the same. I saw LaToya in Playboy,
and I'm sure she's Michael after all his/her surgery.




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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:07:02 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

klaus wrote:

I'm just not much of a football fan. Although if I'd known there were
going to be boobs involved...

When football is played there are always boobs involved.

I still can't get used to you 'merkans calling it just "football". To
us, that means the *original* football - known to you as "soccer".

I know none of you intend it that way, it's what you have grown up
with, but it does somehow *feel* arrogant for you to disregard what
all the rest of the world calls football, for your own parochial game,
which everyone else calls "American football".
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"Alex Heney" wrote in message
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I still can't get used to you 'merkans calling it just "football". To
us, that means the *original* football - known to you as "soccer".

I thought the origianl football was now called "rugby".

Of course even ruggers have two sets of rules.

Alex Heney wrote:
: I still can't get used to you 'merkans calling it just "football". To
: us, that means the *original* football - known to you as "soccer".

: I know none of you intend it that way, it's what you have grown up
: with, but it does somehow *feel* arrogant for you to disregard what
: all the rest of the world calls football, for your own parochial game,
: which everyone else calls "American football".

My, I'm just Mr. Chatty these days. My recollection is that "soccer"
came from a 'football' club in England that was called the Association
of something, abbreviated Assoc., thus 'soccer'. But the Brits
gave up on that name, I guess. Obviously whoever invented American
Football had a certain poverty of the imagination, since "football"
clearly better fits what we call soccer.

A couple of years ago, I was watching a football (soccer) match in
a pub in Horsham England with a German friend. I had never actually
watched a whole game before, except my kids' matches. He was getting
excited over the smallest things, as far as I could tell. I kept
waiting for something to actually happen (actually I was impressed
by how far and fast they could kick the ball). The final score was 0-0,
and everyone but me seemed to be ok with that. My kids' games
were way more fun. Guess you gotta appreciate the finer points.
The Germans can't figure out why anyone would want to sit and
watch a baseball game, for instance.

-Paul C.

Bob Lee wrote:
Why yes, you're very close - I'm impressed. It's LCES:
Lookouts
Communication
Escape Routes
Safety Areas

http://www.fire.blm.gov/WhatWeDo/lces.htm

Man.. I'v been looking for that for days.. Thanks. As you know, a lot
of wildland firefighters patrol or do snow safety in the winter, hence
my exposure. This kind of stuff is common discussion at parties and
the bar, etc. Along with snowpack. Sublimation never comes up though.

And to tie it in with the discussion: Wildland firefighters have
developed and adopted the 10 Standard Fire Orders and the 18 Watch Out
Situations:
http://www.nifc.gov/safety_study/10-18-lces.html

Now some scientists have noted that people under that are stressed or
very busy can only remember and/or act on four or five(?) different
things. This factoid came to the mind of a fellow after he found
himself first on the scene of a multiple fatality burnover (The Dude
fire, Arizona, 1990).

I believe in nonstress situations, 6 is the greatest number of things
we can remember as one "unit" (Russ?? you've got to have dealt with
this??) Beyond that size you have to break it into subgroups.


Paul Gleason was the fellow's name, and he was a rather revered hotshot
crew superintendent as well as a rock-climber and (obklaus) Buddhist.
The Dude fire fatalities deeply affected Paul, and he looked for a way
to boil down the life-saving principles in the "10 & 18" into something
more easily remembered and used.

Interesting. This is a common Buddhist exercise. Four Nobel Truths,
The Eight Fold Path. Three Jewels of Refuge... 82,000 mind
afflictions.

He came up with LCES, which has been universally adopted in the wildfire
community. I think LCES has much of value to people in avy terrain -
it's second nature to me, so I use the concept automatically.

Absolutely.

And when
things are a bit "interesting" it's a *lot* easier to run through the
LCES checklist than the entire 10 & 18, even though most firefighters
have those memorized.

Part V in "Mountaineering - The Freedom of the Hills" covers some of
these issues, although somewhat dated. Pg 445-446 in the 6th Edition
talks about The Master Warning Panel. Fig 18-1 `"The panel is
connected to your senses, to your brain, and to some place deep down
in your gut. This last connection, in your gut is so critical that you
have two lines going there in case one comes loose.

His figure shows things like personal strength, group strength,
weather, time, distance, altitude, equipment, etc. If those things
talk to you, it's time to stop and think a second. At times with some
partners, there'll be a half joking.. "there's one" when one thing
goes wrong, even minor things. (See l[C]es above). And it draws
attention to it for everyone in the group. When you hear.. "There's
number three..." it may be time to pull the plug. The interesting
thing about that is that usually you hit 3 before you even consider
the avalanche hazard or dig a pit or even decide which exact line
you're going to take.

Part V is worth browsing through every now and then if it's been a
while.

Paul was a pretty interesting guy. He died of cancer about a year ago.
More info at: http://tinyurl.com/22kbh

Impressive.

-klaus

Alex Heney wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:07:02 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

klaus wrote:

I'm just not much of a football fan. Although if I'd known there were
going to be boobs involved...

When football is played there are always boobs involved.

I still can't get used to you 'merkans calling it just "football". To
us, that means the *original* football - known to you as "soccer".

Don't worry, you'll get used to it. And you'll give up on that petrol
word, too.

-klaus

Kurt Knisely wrote:

Scratch that. Nothing ever adds up from these things (accidents).

It *always* adds up.

We were not there and I don't even know what the peak looks like.

You don't have to be there, to know, it all added up and happened
exactly and perfectly like it should have. That's cause and
effect. The connection between cause and effect may not be clear,
especially up front, but contrary to popular belief, **** doesn't just
happen, it's caused.

-klaus

klaus wrote:
Alex Heney wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:07:02 -0800, The Real Bev
wrote:

klaus wrote:

I'm just not much of a football fan. Although if I'd known there
were going to be boobs involved...

When football is played there are always boobs involved.

I still can't get used to you 'merkans calling it just "football". To
us, that means the *original* football - known to you as "soccer".

Don't worry, you'll get used to it. And you'll give up on that petrol
word, too.


I doubt it, and I suspect we'll keep boot, bonnet, and for that matter fag
too


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