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question about 1st pair of skis
I'm trying to buy my first set of skis. I've been skiing for 2-3 years
and would consider myself "almost" intermidiate. I'm not a fast skier and never go off groomed snow. Don't get into bumps/tricks. Just like cruising down the mountain. I'm thinking I fit into the carving wannabe mold but still want a ski that can make quick turns (Can carving skis do that too?). I'm 47, 200lbs. I've been looking at the K2 5500 and atomic c 9.18, c:8. I worry that I might be looking at "too much" ski for my ability, while at the same time not wanting to buy a ski that I will have to replace in 2 years. I've tried demo skis but the ski shops never seem to give me anything good. They don't rent out the atomics or k2's. In fact, twice they have given me womens skis. Any suggestions appreciated. Rut |
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Rut wrote:
I'm trying to buy my first set of skis. I've been skiing for 2-3 years and would consider myself "almost" intermidiate. I'm not a fast skier and never go off groomed snow. Don't get into bumps/tricks. Just like cruising down the mountain. I'm thinking I fit into the carving wannabe mold but still want a ski that can make quick turns (Can carving skis do that too?). I'm 47, 200lbs. I've been looking at the K2 5500 and atomic c 9.18, c:8. I worry that I might be looking at "too much" ski for my ability, while at the same time not wanting to buy a ski that I will have to replace in 2 years. I've tried demo skis but the ski shops never seem to give me anything good. They don't rent out the atomics or k2's. In fact, twice they have given me womens skis. Any suggestions appreciated. Suggestion: Find a better place to demo. Demo skis should be top of the line, not the mediocre intermediate noodles you find at the rental desk. Are you sure you're going to the demo center and not just the rental counter? Where are you located? I think you're on the right track looking at the Atomic C9 or K2 5500 - these are advanced/intermediate skis that you should be able to grow into but won't grow out of in a season or so. Neither should be "too much ski", although you may have to work a little bit harder than you're used to. Definitely try before you buy. A decent demo center should have several models to choose from in every category (on-piste carver, all-mountain, twin-tip, etc.) and let you change skis several times over the course of the day. oh, one more thing: get yourself a decent pair of good fitting boots first. -- //-Walt // // http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040514/matson.gif |
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Thanks for the info. I ski mostly at Sugar Mtn, Banner Elk, NC. They
shops around the slopes are where I usually go. I know they have demo days the 1st weekend in Dec. Of course they only have the newest stuff then and I'm looking at last years stuff for a better buy. Already have a good set of boots. Got them first thing. When you say I might have to "work harder" at those skis I mentioned, what do you mean? Is it because of the stiffness of the ski? Rut Walt wrote in message ... Rut wrote: I'm trying to buy my first set of skis. I've been skiing for 2-3 years and would consider myself "almost" intermidiate. I'm not a fast skier and never go off groomed snow. Don't get into bumps/tricks. Just like cruising down the mountain. I'm thinking I fit into the carving wannabe mold but still want a ski that can make quick turns (Can carving skis do that too?). I'm 47, 200lbs. I've been looking at the K2 5500 and atomic c 9.18, c:8. I worry that I might be looking at "too much" ski for my ability, while at the same time not wanting to buy a ski that I will have to replace in 2 years. I've tried demo skis but the ski shops never seem to give me anything good. They don't rent out the atomics or k2's. In fact, twice they have given me womens skis. Any suggestions appreciated. Suggestion: Find a better place to demo. Demo skis should be top of the line, not the mediocre intermediate noodles you find at the rental desk. Are you sure you're going to the demo center and not just the rental counter? Where are you located? I think you're on the right track looking at the Atomic C9 or K2 5500 - these are advanced/intermediate skis that you should be able to grow into but won't grow out of in a season or so. Neither should be "too much ski", although you may have to work a little bit harder than you're used to. Definitely try before you buy. A decent demo center should have several models to choose from in every category (on-piste carver, all-mountain, twin-tip, etc.) and let you change skis several times over the course of the day. oh, one more thing: get yourself a decent pair of good fitting boots first. |
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Rut wrote:
Thanks for the info. I ski mostly at Sugar Mtn, Banner Elk, NC. They shops around the slopes are where I usually go. I know they have demo days the 1st weekend in Dec. Of course they only have the newest stuff then and I'm looking at last years stuff for a better buy. Already have a good set of boots. Got them first thing. Good job on the boots. Buying last year's model skis or used skis can save you a lot of cash. I demo every year and file the data away for future use. Plus, most models don't change that much from year to year. It still sounds like you're hitting the regular rentals rather than demo rentals. Demos are almost always this year model ski. Sometimes they're called "high performance" rentals and include some of last year's model. When you say I might have to "work harder" at those skis I mentioned, what do you mean? Is it because of the stiffness of the ski? More precise movements, better technique, and possibly a bit more oomph with the muscles. Stiffness is part of it, but there are other intangibles that play a part as well. A forgiving ski is, well, forgiving of mistakes. You can be lazy, get in the backseat, and it'll still ski ok. A ski like the Atomic C9 is less forgiving and requires a bit better technique than a rental noodle, but it'll perform better if you have the chops. Some skis are very very demanding (i.e. a race ski). Something in the C9 class is probably what you're looking for. -- //-Walt // // http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040514/matson.gif |
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Rut wrote:
Thanks for the info. I ski mostly at Sugar Mtn, Banner Elk, NC. They shops around the slopes are where I usually go. I know they have demo days the 1st weekend in Dec. Of course they only have the newest stuff then and I'm looking at last years stuff for a better buy. Already have a good set of boots. Got them first thing. Hey guys - we got ourselves a top-poster - get a look at em before he learns his way around... Demo Days are good - particularly because they are free. But Walt is talking about rental operations that rent high end skis. Many are tied to a shop which will give you the rental price off a pair of skis bought at the shop. Check some better shops. But many larger mountains have a separate rental operation usually labeled "Perfomance Rentals" or sometimes just "Demo Rentals" that rent high performance skis. At mountain demo rentals are good because you can usually come in several times a day and trade skis, so you can try lots of models. When you say I might have to "work harder" at those skis I mentioned, what do you mean? Is it because of the stiffness of the ski? The primary difference between intermediate skis and performance skis is intermediate skis are designed NOT to respond immediately and precisely to skier iniput - that's called "forgiving" in the ads. Performance skis are responsive - you screw up, the ski responds as if you meant it, and you've crashed. A second characteristic is energy - energy in (from the skier) is returned by the ski - makes linked dynamic turns easier if you do it right; can throw you if you screw up. Getting the energy into the ski is where Walt's "work harder" comes from. Rut Walt wrote in message ... CLIP I think you're on the right track looking at the Atomic C9 or K2 5500 - these are advanced/intermediate skis that you should be able to grow into but won't grow out of in a season or so. Neither should be "too much ski", although you may have to work a little bit harder than you're used to. Definitely try before you buy. A decent demo center should have several models to choose from in every category (on-piste carver, all-mountain, twin-tip, etc.) and let you change skis several times over the course of the day. oh, one more thing: get yourself a decent pair of good fitting boots first. I gather he didn't see this comment! It is the most significant thing! Good, solid, well-fitted boots FIRST!! All else is wasted effort without Good Boots. BTW Good Boots does not equal Expensive Boots. |
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Hi
I purchased a pair of race GS skis as an intermediate skier because I had a gut feeling that I would have fewer falls. While initially I had more falls due to the fact I had let my skiing become slack on my old skis, as soon as I applied some aggression I had no problem and was able to become less aggressive the more I got to know the skis. They will let you know if you get too slack on them but I like to think of that characteristic as being like having a ski instructor with you everyday. Another ski worth considering is a twin tip. If you enjoy all terrain skiing these may be a better buy but get them shorter than normal due to the fact they are wider. They are cheaper than race skis and you may find them easier. Good luck Peter "Joel" wrote in message ... On 13 Oct 2004 06:08:59 -0700, (Rut) wrote: I'm not a fast skier When you get better skis, and get a little better, you will be a faster skier. And you'll love it! So make sure you get something that'll handle that speed with your weight. I'm not up to date on the newest cruisers, as I look for powder and tree skis now, so I can't give you specifics. But you sound like me in my third year. So don't underestimate yourself. The same ski that will turn well at 12MPH will be a noodler at 30+ .................................................. .............. Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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Thanks again for the info. (Not sure what a top-poster is but it sound
negative)? I'm aware of the type of performance demo rentals you refer to. The last pair I rented were Soloman verse 8. They skiied extremely well. Come to find out they were the women's model. None of these shops had the k2 5500 or atomic c's. I asked at 3 different rental shops! One thing I've tried to do is compare that skis' dimensions with those that I'm looking at in hopes of finding a similar performing ski. I know stiffness is something you don't get from the tech data, and I'm not sure what difference a couple of mm in tip/waist width makes either (so many questions). Also, perhaps you can tell me what the pro/cons are of ski tails being rounded or squared make to performance? I'm sure it has something to do with how the tail whips around but I'm not even sure if I've experienced that. As far as the "energy you put in is what you get back" makes it sound like I will have to actually work to enjoy skiing these particular models and, perhaps, have better than average technical skill. I'm not sure I have the "correct" technical skills nor do I want to have to work very hard to enjoy skiing (it's not an obsession, just one sport I can enjoy with my daughter). Makes me think I may need to back down a notch in model (maybe a C:8 instead of c:9?). Thanks again. I've gotten better advise here than I have at any ski shop I've been to. Most of them seem to be staffed with local college kids and I question their knowledge level. Rut Joel wrote in message . .. On 13 Oct 2004 06:08:59 -0700, (Rut) wrote: I'm not a fast skier When you get better skis, and get a little better, you will be a faster skier. And you'll love it! So make sure you get something that'll handle that speed with your weight. I'm not up to date on the newest cruisers, as I look for powder and tree skis now, so I can't give you specifics. But you sound like me in my third year. So don't underestimate yourself. The same ski that will turn well at 12MPH will be a noodler at 30+ .................................................. .............. Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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Rut wrote:
Thanks again for the info. (Not sure what a top-poster is but it sound negative)? It's someone who posts their replies at the top of a message. Most people find it very irritating, me included. This only applies to usenet, not to emails where I either top post or interweave my replies as I am doing here. You can do your own research into the netiquette of it, but I'll just mention this: A. Top posters Q. What is thge most annoying thing about usenet Also, perhaps you can tell me what the pro/cons are of ski tails being rounded or squared make to performance? I'm sure it has something to do with how the tail whips around but I'm not even sure if I've experienced that. No I don't think so, even "square" skis have some rounding at the corner of the flat rear-edge and even the top racers would not be engaging that part of the tail-edge. It's useful for tricksters who like to ski backwards - see my post a day or 2 ago about this. |
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"Rut" wrote in message om... Thanks again for the info. (Not sure what a top-poster is but it sound negative)? Certain anal retentive, socially impotent, controlling types on usenet and the weak personalitied people that follow them, insist that you put your reply to a post underneath the text you're replying to. Although I usually bottom post, at times I don't. There's a time and place for everything. |
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