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Old June 1st 06, 02:08 AM
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...un06/jun01news

Little or no science referenced, but procedural problems are illuminated.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY


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Old June 1st 06, 11:45 AM
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Something that seems to have only made it to the Dutch press, shines an
interesting light on the matter for me.
When stepping down, UCI president HeinVerbruggen told the Dutch press,
responding to the question what he thought about Lance with regards to
doping, that Lance is the most-tested athlete on the planet, and the one
athlete that's actually been making better drug testing possibly, by means
of financial donations. With Lance's money, required EPO testing equipment
was purchased for which there was no budget. A quarter million Euro's I
think it was. This happened when Lance was still winning TdF's. Lance had
asked the UCI to keep that silent, but at one point Hein couldn't anymore,
after all that had been written about him in the press.

Now we all have an opinion of Lance, but least heard is that he's "stupid".
He pretty much thought himself to 7 consecutive Tour wins, a very annoying
thing to do to Europe's sporting pride.
Please, raise your hand if you think Lance would be stupid enough to fully
fund new EPO testing equipment while he's been using EPO after his recovery
from cancer, knowing well that all of France is trying to discredit him, and
samples are kept for a long long time?

It doesn't add up, and WADA and the French are looking really bad here.
Where was Lance when Festina was riding around winning everything with EPO
running out of their ears? They obviously need someting to overshadow that
disgrace to the sport, and what better than to target Lance who's been
spoiling their fun ever since the Festina case?

"gary jacobson" schreef in bericht
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...un06/jun01news

Little or no science referenced, but procedural problems are illuminated.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY




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Old June 23rd 06, 11:27 AM
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It's worth mentionning that concerning the Festina case, none of the
team members has been blood tested positive... Some products were
found and they had no other choice but to admit that they were dopers.

So, when someone says "I've never been tested positive" while riding at
the same "inhuman" pace as the above mentionned dopers, I'm very very
doubtful.

"inhuman" means that the power required to bring a given weight
(cyclist + cycle) from A to B at a given speed is simply not achievable
by not dopers.
On a steep hill, air friction is negligable and cycle friction is
easily measurable. Some calculation have been done and most top
cyclists of the "Tour de France" are "inhumans" rated above 450 W (485
W during 4 minutes for Lance at the 2003 Tour, Col de La plagne).

Google "Antoine Vayer" former coach in the Festina team

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Old June 23rd 06, 05:51 PM
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485W for 4 minutes? Not like 585W? Or 40 minutes?
Even I get close to 485W over 4 minutes in the offseason! 400W threshold or
so. Pretty sure Lance does way better, and holds ~500W for an hour.
I'm 83kg when fit, though, and now a bit less.

schreef in bericht
oups.com...
It's worth mentionning that concerning the Festina case, none of the
team members has been blood tested positive... Some products were
found and they had no other choice but to admit that they were dopers.

So, when someone says "I've never been tested positive" while riding at
the same "inhuman" pace as the above mentionned dopers, I'm very very
doubtful.

"inhuman" means that the power required to bring a given weight
(cyclist + cycle) from A to B at a given speed is simply not achievable
by not dopers.
On a steep hill, air friction is negligable and cycle friction is
easily measurable. Some calculation have been done and most top
cyclists of the "Tour de France" are "inhumans" rated above 450 W (485
W during 4 minutes for Lance at the 2003 Tour, Col de La plagne).

Google "Antoine Vayer" former coach in the Festina team



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Old July 1st 06, 01:34 AM
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"inhuman" means that the power required to bring a given weight
(cyclist + cycle) from A to B at a given speed is simply not achievable
by not dopers.


This discussion is not going anywhere, but... how does one define
"simply not achievable by not dopers"? Is "can't produce more than N
watts for N seconds" hard wired in the DNA of humans? I'd be psyched to
know what gene is.

Jan, congrats, you are a non-human

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Old July 3rd 06, 01:23 PM
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On 3 Jul 2006 05:15:39 -0700, "Bjorn A. Payne Diaz"
wrote:
Now Indurain....he seems
to have come from being an ok rider, to winning a bunch of Tours and
being an animal. How is that possible?


Your comment really points out that it's not a good idea to have these
sort of off-topic discussion here -- faulty premises that slip by.
Before you ask "how is that possible" you should first confirm that
the preceding sentence is true. You can do that via Google (search for
palmare and indurain) or by asking in an appropriate group like
rec.bicycles.racing.

[about Indurain] kicked ass as a junior, as an amatuer,
as a US Pro, and then as a
European Pro


Ever yTour of France winner in recent decades has achieved superbe
results at lower levels of the sport before winning that race -- even
though their earlier results may not be known well in the US. Your
premise that Armstrong somehow demonstrated more ability that Indurain
and therefore is less likely to be doping because of that doesn't
work.

JFT

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Old July 5th 06, 09:52 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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I expect the TDF from now on to be a much more competitive event. There
are so many great cyclists that could win the General Classification. I
think if the winner achieves victory by more than a couple of minutes,
red flags should pop up. Things can happen like a crash to one of the
favorites, getting caught out in a breakaway etc, but I think the final
time between the top five or six guys will be less than ten minutes.

Jay Tegeder
"On the podium if the right people don't show up!" JT
p.s. getting over a broken thumb caused by other riders initiating a 10
man crash...

 




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