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Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote: Mary Malmros wrote: yunlong wrote: Norm wrote: [snip] Sure. If you did it that way. Have you ever actually skied Yun? You mean flat-boarding? Yes. http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi IIRC, I saw Jean-Claude Killy do something very much like that on a TV special, from Sun Valley I think it was, sometime in the way back when. Thanks for the compliment. Um, it wasn't exactly a compliment. Thanks for the candidness, I'd be very surprised if you do. He managed to do it without looking like "Rivendell on skis", though. Because he had to carry poles? He wasn't carrying poles, not that that had anything to do with it. I'm just saying that he managed to pull off a cheezy, easy-listening, made-for-TV waltzing-around-on-skis exhibition without looking totally like an elf on valium. So, you like rigid thing better? IS -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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yunlong wrote:
VtSkier wrote: yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: yunlong wrote: foot2foot wrote: ..... Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves, http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi you don't qualify. IS Ooooh, got a real competition going on. The moves are truly beautiful, Thanks, but what will they get you when the going gets steep and gnarly. What do you think? I'm thinking you might get hung up on that outside edge. Especially if it's a little icy, as it is here a lot. "Hung up" on ice? interesting thought. Clearly you are western skier and have little knowledge of ice as it applies (or is applied) to ski slopes. Not that that's a bad thing. I'd like to have considerably less knowledge of ice applied to ski slopes. I can do all those moves (actually there are only a couple of moves shown here) Yah, that's only a beginning. and I don't even teach! VtSkier Do you by chance use to have a handle by "Richard Walsh"? IS Yeah, Your posting shows your trait, IS I'm that transparent, eh? VtSkier |
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"yunlong" wrote in message oups.com... Steve FZ1 wrote: "VtSkier" wrote in message ... yunlong wrote: foot2foot wrote: [snip] Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves, http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi Foot! did you notice that his weight was on the OUTSIDE ski???? You should check the frame before the spray began, before the spray began... hmmmm guess that means "not on edge"... so what edge are you on when you're not on edge? Given the appearance of spray, care to guess how fast the skier was traveling before he broke? not very fast Lack of intelligent? hehehe... that would be "intelligence," eh Einstein? I'll show you my Physics degree if you show me yours. Amusing, IS I agree... amusing that this clip supposedly shows some sort of amazing ability. - Steve |
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Steve FZ1 wrote:
"yunlong" wrote in message oups.com... Steve FZ1 wrote: "VtSkier" wrote in message ... yunlong wrote: foot2foot wrote: [snip] Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves, http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi Foot! did you notice that his weight was on the OUTSIDE ski???? You should check the frame before the spray began, before the spray began... hmmmm guess that means "not on edge"... so what edge are you on when you're not on edge? You haven't got the drift eh? It is called "flat-boarding," what else can you be on [a ski] when you're not on either edge? Given the appearance of spray, care to guess how fast the skier was traveling before he broke? not very fast Yup, the video is on slow motion. Lack of intelligent? hehehe... that would be "intelligence," eh Einstein? I'll show you my Physics degree if you show me yours. Ok, are you an other Physicist who cannot tell what uphill and downhill are? Amusing, IS I agree... amusing that this clip supposedly shows some sort of amazing ability. If the uphill/downhill confused the hell out of you, you probably cannot tell what amazing ability is. IS |
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VtSkier wrote:
yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: yunlong wrote: foot2foot wrote: ..... Bragging? Until you can duplicate these moves, http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi you don't qualify. IS Ooooh, got a real competition going on. The moves are truly beautiful, Thanks, but what will they get you when the going gets steep and gnarly. What do you think? I'm thinking you might get hung up on that outside edge. Especially if it's a little icy, as it is here a lot. "Hung up" on ice? interesting thought. Clearly you are western skier and have little knowledge of ice as it applies (or is applied) to ski slopes. Not that that's a bad thing. I'd like to have considerably less knowledge of ice applied to ski slopes. Not sure I care about New England's "ice," that's why I left; nevertheless, I have skied there for seven seasons. I can do all those moves (actually there are only a couple of moves shown here) Yah, that's only a beginning. and I don't even teach! VtSkier Do you by chance use to have a handle by "Richard Walsh"? IS Yeah, Your posting shows your trait, IS I'm that transparent, eh? Yup, we've been that block. IS VtSkier |
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That's the classic definition of the stem christy. Why give it a new
name? It's not the same at all. With a wedge initiation, *both* ski tails are extended out into a wedge. With a stem, one ski stays where it is in the traverse. The other ski tail is extended out to make the v-shape. You are trying to compare it with the plain "stem turn" which is a different turn. HMmm, I'd appreciate more enlightenment on that one, but I don't think so. Too late. I'll tell you anyway. BTW, why did you go way back to the wedge term? We are trying to progress beyond that. Let's review the basic turns. 1) Wedge. Ski all day in the wedge. Traverse in the wedge. Lean onto the uphill (outside) ski to initiate a turn but stay in the wedge thru the turn. 2) Stem. Same as wedge, but: Move the uphill ski down parallel to the lower ski in the traverse. Then stem the uphill ski out into a wedge and shift weight just like in the wedge turn. After the turn, bring the (new) uphill ski back parallel to the lower ski (with weight on both skis). 3) Stem Christie. Traverse the hill with skis parallel. Stem the uphill (outside) ski and shift weight onto it. As the turn is initiated, immediately slide the inside ski out to the parallel position and shift some weight to the new uphill ski as the carve is completed. Resume the parallel traverse. 4) Parallel Christie. This is where it gets tricky. You next have to be taught "down unweighting" or up "unweighting" to initiate the turn and there are many schools of thought on this. What was described by th OP was the Stem Christie - not some new kind of "magic turn". What I have described above is the way many ski schools taught skiing for years and years. (I don't know what they teach today). The problem with the sequence above is that a student learns to "stem" the ski to initiate a turn and has difficulty getting rid of the stem as they progress to parallel turns. I believe the OP was trying to describe a progression from wedge to parallel without actually stemming th ski - more about weight shift or something. However, what was described was still the stem christie. Cheers, TCS TCS (The Colorado Skier) Colorado is now open for skiing |
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"Thomas Raml" wrote in message ... Hmm, I learnt that magic turn on my ski instructors lessons a good 20 years ago in Austria (called officially "The new Austrian way of teaching ski" or so). Inofficially it was called "learning to ski from plow _direct_ to parallell" _without_ the stem. And then it was some years old. There's a few new twists. For instance absolute insistence on hand position, and the concept of home position. Then, wedge changeups followed up the the schrittbogen schuss drill, something which I've never seen done before until the last few years. Also, there's the bunny berm. An absolutely bombproof learning progression for even the most terrified or clumsy. No fear, no danger. foot2foot describes correctly, what we learnt to teach pupils to get to parallel in shortest time (Icould'nt describe it as clealy as he can). Thank you. So, new? Ha, had to learn schrittbogen myself, not that smooth as your "magic turns"! And I _know_ what a stemmbogen is! I had to learn it right trough: Plow - Schrittbogen - Stemmbogen - parallel - wedeln. In this order that was used, what was the purpose of the schrittbogen step? Then, to move into Stemmbogen? It makes no sense, it's like going backward. And to think they could've just thrown stem out the window and used the wedge itself to initiate, then gone right to parallel via schrittbogen. I'm often wondering about vorlage, rucklage, and some others. Would these be French? YMMV, but OMHO, steps from plow to stemmbogen are more difficult than from mastered stemmbogen to parallel. I'm not sure what you mean here.... Nobody is perfect not even in failing With the bunny berm, a new skier falling is made almost obsolete. Austria. Impressive credentials I'd say. Thanks very much for the reply(s). |
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"TCS" wrote in message ... Too late. I'll tell you anyway. BTW, why did you go way back to the wedge term? We are trying to progress beyond that. Let's review the basic turns. 1) Wedge. Ski all day in the wedge. Traverse in the wedge. Lean onto the uphill (outside) ski to initiate a turn but stay in the wedge thru the turn. After a few wedge changeups, and some schussing down an easy hill picking up the tail of each ski alternately, being sure to maintain home position, hopefully into a berm that will provide a terrain stop after each run. Once the student starts trying to turn, spend about three minutes in the wedge and then toss aside it's necessity for all time. Simply traverse, do a wedge changeup and pick up the tail of the inside ski. Parallel turn. 2) Stem. Same as wedge, but: Move the uphill ski down parallel to the lower ski in the traverse. Then stem the uphill ski out into a wedge and shift weight just like in the wedge turn. After the turn, bring the (new) uphill ski back parallel to the lower ski (with weight on both skis). No need to waste time with this. I'm already making parallel turns by initiating with a wedge changeup and picking up the tail of the inside ski. Besides, I don't know what uphill ski is. 3) Stem Christie. Traverse the hill with skis parallel. Stem the uphill (outside) ski and shift weight onto it. As the turn is initiated, immediately slide the inside ski out to the parallel position and shift some weight to the new uphill ski as the carve is completed. Resume the parallel traverse. Don't need to waste time with this. I'm already making parallel turns. Probably on the blues or blacks by now. 4) Parallel Christie. This is where it gets tricky. You next have to be taught "down unweighting" or up "unweighting" to initiate the turn and there are many schools of thought on this. Don't need to up or down unweight. Just initiate with a wedge changeup and pick up the tail of the inside ski. No need for flexion and extention yet. What was described by th OP was the Stem Christie - not some new kind of "magic turn". What I have described above is the way many ski schools taught skiing for years and years. (I don't know what they teach today). If they're smart they teach magic turns. TCS, there's nothing new about the actual techniques, it's the way they're put together, and where the emphasis is put that make all the difference. Parallel turns in two hours of instruction for the first time ever student. . The problem with the sequence above is that a student learns to "stem" the ski to initiate a turn and has difficulty getting rid of the stem as they progress to parallel turns. True. That is very true. I believe the OP was trying to describe a progression from wedge to parallel without actually stemming th ski - more about weight shift or something. However, what was described was still the stem christie. Then I didn't get the idea across very well. The Original Poster? was me. Start with home position, then progress to wedge changeups into a berm, then schuss into the berm picking up the tail of each ski alternately, then put it all together and turn it sideways. Maintain body position, especially hand position, traverse, make a wedge, as in a wedge changeup, to initiate the turn, transfer the weight to the outside ski, pick up the tail of the inside ski. It's *not* the same as the old school typical progressions at all. Yes, all the moves are as old as skiing. It's the synthesis of it. The way it's put together hasn't been done before as far as I know. The progressions you described take many days on the snow to finally get to parallel turns. The magic turns system puts half of any given beginner class in a parallel turn in *two hours* consistently. Not a phony fall apart parallel turn. One that the student can and does take to the blues. Then, after the beginner stages, the system emphasizes teaching to the mechanics of skiing, not particular forms. The student is freed up to ski however they wish, because they know how the skis work, and what they can do with them. |
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bdubya wrote:
On 8 Dec 2004 11:01:09 -0800, "yunlong" wrote: lal_truckee wrote: yunlong wrote: Norm wrote: Have you ever actually skied Yun? You mean flat-boarding? Yes. http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_v_is_tcs1.avi I looked at your home movies - poor skiing, IMO. Yup, those without substance cannot be impressed. Yun, I'm sorry to say this, but all I see in your videos is the way I _used_ to ski, as an intermediate who hadn't had lessons in a long, long time. You do?!!! "How do you do flat-spin again"? All I see is weight too far back and controlling direction by pushing the tails out, Not sure you know how to read the video clip, it sounded like a comment from "an intermediate who hadn't had lessons in a long, long time" alright, or is that how you ski? http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/ski_p_is_tcs1.jpg Care to speculate where the skier's weight is, and how does he turn? which explains why you don't "need" poles - in that stance, there's not much use for them. When you cannot read/interpret the video clip properly, you cannot explain it. It's a pleasant way to ski the groomers, but until I see video of you "flat-boarding" in the bumps, The quality of this clip is not that good, but it does show the capability of the flat-boarding in the bumps, http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/upperdynamic.wmv however, not sure how you will make of it. or (even better) off-piste in the cut-up crud, I won't be impressed either. What so hot about off-piste? Been there, done that, and I don't think off-piste skiing is any harder than black diamond bump trails in any major ski resort. Anyway, I don't do much off-piste skiing nowadays (too much work, and little result); now I am a park-rat, http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/highjump180.wmv and a speed junkie; as for the video of how I "fly" the hill, we have to wait until the photographer is ready. I'd love to find that I'm wrong, and that you really are onto something new and different here, but I need to see it to believe it. Ok, though not sure if you know how to see. IS bw |
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yunlong wrote:
snip The quality of this clip is not that good, but it does show the capability of the flat-boarding in the bumps, http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/upperdynamic.wmv however, not sure how you will make of it. snip There is so little left to say in this thread except, maybe... wow. Dave M. |
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