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"foot2foot" wrote in message ... "MH" wrote in message not following the straight line down the hill. I'm not sure what you mean here. You know how you were saying that there is a dividing line down the hill, that's what I mean here. This is actually a beginner's tool, the beginner is going so slowly in the wedge that they can keep the shoulders square to the skis and the body centered directly between the skis. The centerline and line to infinity describe the tool *to a beginner*. Once the person can ski a little better, this changes a bit. Then, it becomes more important that the body needs to be on the inside of the turn. To do this it's useful to move the hips to the inside of the turn. It becomes more of an angulation thing. When turning the skier needs the knees and hips moved inside toward the center of the turn (for balance and edging) while still holding the shoulders over the skis. It's a classic pose that goes back to the 1940's or earlier. The faster one goes, the farther inside the turn the hips need to be. Slowly, maybe just a little. Faster, knees, and especially hips more to the inside. I suppose the line analogy would still work if you moved the line to infinity farter inside the turn, the faster you go. But, by that point there's really no need for it. The concept is simple. Body (mostly hips) to the inside of the turn, a little or a lot, depending on speed. Then I'm doing the hip thang OK. : ) I want to see about the inside *lead* ski thing, though. This sounds as if it might be helpful. I know that I am getting to be a better and better skier, with a few more lessons (and the confidence they always give me), I will excel. Martha |
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foot2foot wrote:
"The Real Bev" wrote: MH wrote: "foot2foot" wrote: So, as you finish up one turn, to start the new one, you need to cross your body over the skis, and push the new inside ski ahead of the outside. Well, you could also pull the new outside ski back, or move both, one back and one forward, sort of scissors. Any of these three methods will change the lead. Oh, sounds interesting. I'm going to work on that on my next trip. Good tips, thanks. My impression is that the lead changes as a result of the turn. It just happens, and it may not even be possible to prevent it. Am I doing something wrong? PSIA likes to let it happen without notice, naturally. So according to them, you're a star. Have you tried playing with lead change on fairly easy slopes? Actually intentionally trying to initiate turns with one of the three styles of lead change, and maybe increasing the lead more or less, to see the effect? The more you change the lead, the sharper you can turn at really slow speeds. If I try to NOT do it, it hurts. Playing with more or less lead doesn't seem to change anything so I stopped worrying about it. -- Cheers, Bev +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." -- Elbert Hubbard, American author |
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"foot2foot" wrote in message
... Really, skiing is so simple, if a person just understands the mechanics of the ski, they can do anything they want within their ability, which they can improve. Yes So, You might as well try these also: Keep effective body position at all times, especially keep your hands out in front of you. Do that now Start a turn, halfway through the turn, pick up the tail of the inside ski, leaving the tip on the snow. Ahh...got it! Finish the turn. Repeat. Don't try this on a bumped up double diamond until you get good at it. This will *show* you a good, effective body position, out of the back seat. If you can pick up the tail and leave the tip on the snow, you're golden. Kewl Hold your poles out in front of you horizontally, and pick an object of some kind at about the center of the bottom of the run, (lodge, lift hut), or something like that. Try to keep the center of the poles (halfway between the grips and the baskets) lined up with that object all the way through all your turns. It will sort of force you to keep your body facing downhill, and give you feedback as to how well you're doing. It's a sneaky way of learning about rotation and counter rotation. Don't try this in Corbett's Couloir until you get good at it. haha! Sideslip. Sideslip a whole run or two. Sideslip all over the place. This will help edge control. Do that now On a nice easy wide slope, a groomie maybe, get going on a **long turn**, and when you get ready to start another, start that new turn by doing nothing else but crossing your body over the skis to the other side. Just that. Nothing else. Then, after you get the next turn started in this way, apply the turning forces to the skis as you wish, that is, edge, bend the ski or steer the ski, etc. Repeat. Start the next turn by doing nothing else but crossing your body over the skis to the other side. This brings you into familiarity with the simplest, most basic fact and truth of all skiing, "crossover". To turn left your body must be on the left side of the skis, and vice versa. Moving from one turn to the next, you need to cross your body over to the other side of the skis. Do that now It's really a great, relaxing cruiser move. But PSIA hates it. Do it anyway. But remember, it's a drill, not a mantra. Just like the others. Of course. : ) Martha |
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"MH" wrote in message "foot2foot" wrote in message ... Keep effective body position at all times, especially keep your hands out in front of you. Do that now Good, that's good.... Start a turn, halfway through the turn, pick up the tail of the inside ski, leaving the tip on the snow. Ahh...got it! This is good..... Kewl Hold your poles out in front of you horizontally, and pick an object of some kind at about the center of the bottom of the run, (lodge, lift hut), or something like that. Try to keep the center of the poles (halfway between the grips and the baskets) lined up with that object all the way through all your turns. It will sort of force you to keep your body facing downhill, and give you feedback as to how well you're doing. It's a sneaky way of learning about rotation and counter rotation. Don't try this in Corbett's Couloir until you get good at it. haha! So, are you wise to rotation and counter rotation? Do you tend to turn your shoulders in the direction of the turn, *after* the first half of the turn is over? You see, in a short series of turns, it just sort of happens. It's the "body faced down the hill thing". But in longer turns, you would turn shouders in direction of turn, only for the first half of the turn. At the moment when the skis are pointing straight down the hill, (the start of the second half of the turn), you might want to turn the shoulders, in *the opposite direction* of the turn. It winds you up for the next turn. Rotation and counter rotation. You can use them, however whenever, and how much ever you want, any time you want. It's simple. You decide. PSIA call the latter "counter" and sort of wishes away the former. But it's useful as well. How much "counter" do you want to use? Sideslip. Sideslip a whole run or two. Sideslip all over the place. This will help edge control. Do that now This is good.... On a nice easy wide slope, a groomie maybe, get going on a **long turn**, and when you get ready to start another, start that new turn by doing nothing else but crossing your body over the skis to the other side. Just that. Nothing else. Then, after you get the next turn started in this way, apply the turning forces to the skis as you wish, that is, edge, bend the ski or steer the ski, etc. Repeat. Start the next turn by doing nothing else but crossing your body over the skis to the other side. This brings you into familiarity with the simplest, most basic fact and truth of all skiing, "crossover". To turn left your body must be on the left side of the skis, and vice versa. Moving from one turn to the next, you need to cross your body over to the other side of the skis. Do that now Good, how about some hip and knee angulation? Try to move the hips in toward the center of the turn, without using all that much knee angulation. So, the legs are fairly straight, and the hips are way down toward the snow, toward the center of the turn. Check out some pix of a world class racer in some skiing mag or two. At the same time try to keep the shoulders level with the snow. If you really want to get woken up, and humble yourself a bit just so you don't lose total touch with reality, try this: Start a turn as you would, then halfway through the turn, pick up the *outside* ski, any way you can, and finish the turn on the *inside ski only*. This is very hard to do. If you can tell you're not getting it, back down to both skis and try again on a new turn. It's not worth a fall. After a while you'll be able to hold that pinky edge longer and longer. A beginner doesn't even want to fool with this because they must first learn to be able to weight the outside ski fully. Once they can do that and know how it feels, it's sometimes useful to be able to feel how well you can use both skis, by trying to ski on only the inside ski each way. Do you think you're this far advanced, to be ready to try the above drill? |
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"foot2foot" wrote in message
... "MH" wrote in message Keep effective body position at all times, especially keep your hands out in front of you. Do that now Good, that's good.... Start a turn, halfway through the turn, pick up the tail of the inside ski, leaving the tip on the snow. Ahh...got it! This is good..... Kewl Hold your poles out in front of you horizontally, and pick an object of some kind at about the center of the bottom of the run, (lodge, lift hut), or something like that. Try to keep the center of the poles (halfway between the grips and the baskets) lined up with that object all the way through all your turns. It will sort of force you to keep your body facing downhill, and give you feedback as to how well you're doing. It's a sneaky way of learning about rotation and counter rotation. Don't try this in Corbett's Couloir until you get good at it. haha! So, are you wise to rotation and counter rotation? Do you tend to turn your shoulders in the direction of the turn, *after* the first half of the turn is over? You see, in a short series of turns, it just sort of happens. It's the "body faced down the hill thing". But in longer turns, you would turn shouders in direction of turn, only for the first half of the turn. At the moment when the skis are pointing straight down the hill, (the start of the second half of the turn), you might want to turn the shoulders, in *the opposite direction* of the turn. It winds you up for the next turn. Rotation and counter rotation. You can use them, however whenever, and how much ever you want, any time you want. It's simple. You decide. PSIA call the latter "counter" and sort of wishes away the former. But it's useful as well. How much "counter" do you want to use? Sideslip. Sideslip a whole run or two. Sideslip all over the place. This will help edge control. Do that now This is good.... On a nice easy wide slope, a groomie maybe, get going on a **long turn**, and when you get ready to start another, start that new turn by doing nothing else but crossing your body over the skis to the other side. Just that. Nothing else. Then, after you get the next turn started in this way, apply the turning forces to the skis as you wish, that is, edge, bend the ski or steer the ski, etc. Repeat. Start the next turn by doing nothing else but crossing your body over the skis to the other side. This brings you into familiarity with the simplest, most basic fact and truth of all skiing, "crossover". To turn left your body must be on the left side of the skis, and vice versa. Moving from one turn to the next, you need to cross your body over to the other side of the skis. Do that now Good, how about some hip and knee angulation? Try to move the hips in toward the center of the turn, without using all that much knee angulation. So, the legs are fairly straight, and the hips are way down toward the snow, toward the center of the turn. Check out some pix of a world class racer in some skiing mag or two. At the same time try to keep the shoulders level with the snow. If you really want to get woken up, and humble yourself a bit just so you don't lose total touch with reality, try this: Start a turn as you would, then halfway through the turn, pick up the *outside* ski, any way you can, and finish the turn on the *inside ski only*. This is very hard to do. If you can tell you're not getting it, back down to both skis and try again on a new turn. It's not worth a fall. After a while you'll be able to hold that pinky edge longer and longer. A beginner doesn't even want to fool with this because they must first learn to be able to weight the outside ski fully. Once they can do that and know how it feels, it's sometimes useful to be able to feel how well you can use both skis, by trying to ski on only the inside ski each way. Do you think you're this far advanced, to be ready to try the above drill? I could certainly try it on a gentle slope. I don't see why I could accomplish it. I'll report back. Martha |
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foot2foot wrote: "MH" wrote in message "foot2foot" wrote in message ... Keep effective body position at all times, especially keep your hands out in front of you. Do that now Good, that's good.... Start a turn, halfway through the turn, pick up the tail of the inside ski, leaving the tip on the snow. Ahh...got it! This is good..... [major snip] I'm learning a lot from this thread, knowledge that I plan to put to use next ski trip. Thanks Foot! Lisa |
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"Lisa Horton" wrote in message ... foot2foot wrote: "MH" wrote in message "foot2foot" wrote in message ... Keep effective body position at all times, especially keep your hands out in front of you. Do that now Good, that's good.... Start a turn, halfway through the turn, pick up the tail of the inside ski, leaving the tip on the snow. Ahh...got it! This is good..... [major snip] I'm learning a lot from this thread, knowledge that I plan to put to use next ski trip. Thanks Foot! Lisa Thank you both for your responses and complements. The mechanics of skiing are few and oh so simple. If a skier can understand them, and put each to use even just a little at first, they can ultimately do anything they want on skis. |
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foot2foot wrote: "Lisa Horton" wrote in message ... foot2foot wrote: "MH" wrote in message "foot2foot" wrote in message ... Keep effective body position at all times, especially keep your hands out in front of you. Do that now Good, that's good.... Start a turn, halfway through the turn, pick up the tail of the inside ski, leaving the tip on the snow. Ahh...got it! This is good..... [major snip] I'm learning a lot from this thread, knowledge that I plan to put to use next ski trip. Thanks Foot! Lisa Thank you both for your responses and complements. The mechanics of skiing are few and oh so simple. If a skier can understand them, and put each to use even just a little at first, they can ultimately do anything they want on skis. Alas, my workload precludes me putting the knowledge to use at this time. Expect more questions after the season of stress is over I will say though, that since you expressed it, your suggestions about arm position have been a BIG help in keeping me in a good position for control. In fact, if I feel like I'm in less control than I should be, I usually find that I am not seeing my hands in my peripheral vision. Next trip, I'm going to try the picking up of the tail of the inside ski thing. For some reason, my skis seem to want to be in a not quite parallel position, instead being in a very very slight wedge, like being pigeontoed, which I'm not. Lisa |
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"Lisa Horton" wrote in message
... foot2foot wrote: "Lisa Horton" wrote in message ... foot2foot wrote: "MH" wrote in message "foot2foot" wrote in message ... Keep effective body position at all times, especially keep your hands out in front of you. Do that now Good, that's good.... Start a turn, halfway through the turn, pick up the tail of the inside ski, leaving the tip on the snow. Ahh...got it! This is good..... [major snip] I'm learning a lot from this thread, knowledge that I plan to put to use next ski trip. Thanks Foot! Lisa Thank you both for your responses and complements. The mechanics of skiing are few and oh so simple. If a skier can understand them, and put each to use even just a little at first, they can ultimately do anything they want on skis. Alas, my workload precludes me putting the knowledge to use at this time. Expect more questions after the season of stress is over I will say though, that since you expressed it, your suggestions about arm position have been a BIG help in keeping me in a good position for control. In fact, if I feel like I'm in less control than I should be, I usually find that I am not seeing my hands in my peripheral vision. Next trip, I'm going to try the picking up of the tail of the inside ski thing. For some reason, my skis seem to want to be in a not quite parallel position, instead being in a very very slight wedge, like being pigeontoed, which I'm not. Lisa You might also try sliding the new inside ski ahead of the new outside to start a turn. It's a bit more advanced, kind of the next step above picking up the tail. |
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foot2foot wrote: "Lisa Horton" wrote in message ... foot2foot wrote: "Lisa Horton" wrote in message ... foot2foot wrote: "MH" wrote in message "foot2foot" wrote in message ... Keep effective body position at all times, especially keep your hands out in front of you. Do that now Good, that's good.... Start a turn, halfway through the turn, pick up the tail of the inside ski, leaving the tip on the snow. Ahh...got it! This is good..... [major snip] I'm learning a lot from this thread, knowledge that I plan to put to use next ski trip. Thanks Foot! Lisa Thank you both for your responses and complements. The mechanics of skiing are few and oh so simple. If a skier can understand them, and put each to use even just a little at first, they can ultimately do anything they want on skis. Alas, my workload precludes me putting the knowledge to use at this time. Expect more questions after the season of stress is over I will say though, that since you expressed it, your suggestions about arm position have been a BIG help in keeping me in a good position for control. In fact, if I feel like I'm in less control than I should be, I usually find that I am not seeing my hands in my peripheral vision. Next trip, I'm going to try the picking up of the tail of the inside ski thing. For some reason, my skis seem to want to be in a not quite parallel position, instead being in a very very slight wedge, like being pigeontoed, which I'm not. Lisa You might also try sliding the new inside ski ahead of the new outside to start a turn. It's a bit more advanced, kind of the next step above picking up the tail. ' Oh... I thought that it was kind of automatic that when I leaned on the outside or is it outside to be ski that it would move forward. It all may seem simple to you experts, but... Lisa |
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