Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+

Peace, love and snow, everybody. Just remember that...

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

More generally, could you try actually skiing on skis before
speculating on this sort of thing.

It's just a suggestion.


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Somebody ****ed in JT's Wheeties! Probably one of those crazies over on
r.b.t! ;-) But Jan he's right, these things are interesting to think
about and ponder, but once you are out on a trail, it doesn't really
matter. So many other factors have so much greater a bearing on what
happens that it isn't worth worrying about.


Joseph, I think the point is that the loooong "rant" post which
disparaged the supposed limitations of ski offerings was made by a guy
who has NEVER skied and has absolutely no knowledge of snow ski
technique or what body types have excelled in the sport! A perfectly
valid critique, I think, and in no way indicates a ****y attitude. It
just doesn't make sense to me that someone who has never skied would
have any basis for feeling that current offerings in ski length and
flex are deficient. To assume that skis will be a limiting factor
without ever having skied or knowing anything about successful ski
racers makes me scratch my head for sure.

Go out and ski, develop decent technique and fitness, only then can you
have even a tiny idea if current technology and techniqe is limiting
you. Until then it's just meaningless theorizing.

Zeke wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

More generally, could you try actually skiing on skis before
speculating on this sort of thing.

It's just a suggestion.


wrote:
Somebody ****ed in JT's Wheeties! Probably one of those crazies over on
r.b.t! ;-) But Jan he's right, these things are interesting to think
about and ponder, but once you are out on a trail, it doesn't really
matter. So many other factors have so much greater a bearing on what
happens that it isn't worth worrying about.


Joseph, I think the point is that the loooong "rant" post which
disparaged the supposed limitations of ski offerings was made by a guy
who has NEVER skied and has absolutely no knowledge of snow ski
technique or what body types have excelled in the sport! A perfectly
valid critique, I think, and in no way indicates a ****y attitude. It
just doesn't make sense to me that someone who has never skied would
have any basis for feeling that current offerings in ski length and
flex are deficient. To assume that skis will be a limiting factor
without ever having skied or knowing anything about successful ski
racers makes me scratch my head for sure.

I know, and I agree with you and JT, I was just trying to lighten the
atmosphere after what seemed a bit harshly worded critique. I enjoy
both Jan and JT's posts, so I thought some of my patened bad humor
might help stave off some unpleasantness.

Go out and ski, develop decent technique and fitness, only then can you
have even a tiny idea if current technology and techniqe is limiting
you. Until then it's just meaningless theorizing.

Sure it's meaningless, but what else is one to do on a rainy afternoon!
;-)

Joseph

schreef in bericht
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Your size is not an issue Jan! So, are you coming to Norway anytime
soon? ;-)
I am convinced my body is sculped for the sport, but I doubt ski selection
is up to speed with fit skier's my size. It can be done better. If someone
with 90cm legs can handle 194cm ski's, I can handle longer and glide faster,
right?

Is there snow? I want to come, but have no clue where. Need to take holiday
before February's end. I won't book anywhere without good snow.

Jan Gerrit Klok wrote:
schreef in bericht
oups.com...
Your size is not an issue Jan! So, are you coming to Norway anytime
soon? ;-)
I am convinced my body is sculped for the sport, but I doubt ski selection
is up to speed with fit skier's my size. It can be done better. If someone
with 90cm legs can handle 194cm ski's, I can handle longer and glide faster,
right?

I forgot how tall you are. 196? Anyway, weight is more important to ski
fit, and while in theory longer (unavailable) skis may be better for
you, it wouldn't really matter until you got, really, REALLY good. And
I don't mean just good enough for the Dutch national squad (cheap-shot
joke, for all I know you guys have a great squad), I mean world class.

Is there snow? I want to come, but have no clue where. Need to take holiday
before February's end. I won't book anywhere without good snow.

In February, there should be snow everywhere. Oslo is probably the
cheapest place to visit, and the skiing is wonderful, but if all you
want to do is ski, perhaps a mountain area like Sjusjøen would be
better. If you really want snow, go to Finse:

http://www.finse.com/images/291206/Finse/Hpim0971.html

I don't really know where is good to go, I just use my local skiarena,
and go to arranged race/tours like Birkebeiner, etc. so I don't pay
anttention to other places there is skiing. Send email to Terje, he'll
know where to go.

Joseph

Wow, what a surprise such responses, how could I have seen those coming? :-)
All very fair, I have zero experience. But call me wrong.
Would drinkgrappadaily not be better off with the 205cm skate ski's he
dreams of? Won't it "fit" better, and glide faster? Big guys want to glide,
too!

And why would a sport as large (heck, Olympic...) not have custom ski
builders? Killed by the large comps? Less entrepreneurship in this business
vs. in cycling which at one point was good for 50% of all patents applied
for?

It's so easy to tell the inexperienced guy wrong if you're an accomplished
athlete. Like I can ask newbie cyclists what their results lists tell me.
Founded arguments against rants are so much nicer :-)
But many quick roadies still think a tire at 10bar is faster than at 8bar,
which many newbies know to be untrue.

Educate me :-)
And how hard would it be to set up a ski building shop? Estimated start-up
costs for the equipment, tools and such? Surely something a good
wood/polymer worker could set up in his shed, if he believed in it? How were
skis made when they were still made of wood? And after? Always by high-tech
high-volume machines at Fisher and Atomic?

I see the inpredicatable flex, yes. But with custom skis that can be
manipulated (a bit) I would guess. It's not "BLAM, ready, and see what came
out" as perhaps in mass production. How are cross-bows made? Some knowledge
may be stolen there...

Cut me some slack, I'm dieing to get some snowtime in here. Stuck in eternal
rain and wind, can't even rollerski safely.

Jan Gerrit Klok wrote:
Wow, what a surprise such responses, how could I have seen those coming? :-)
All very fair, I have zero experience. But call me wrong.
Would drinkgrappadaily not be better off with the 205cm skate ski's he
dreams of? Won't it "fit" better, and glide faster? Big guys want to glide,
too!

And why would a sport as large (heck, Olympic...) not have custom ski
builders? Killed by the large comps? Less entrepreneurship in this business
vs. in cycling which at one point was good for 50% of all patents applied
for?

I think it is because it just doesn't matter. There are so many factors
to good skiing and technique that are impossible to quantify, let alone
isolate and teach to others, that any potential gains for the few large
folks isn't worth it. XC skiing is tiny compared to cycling, and
cycling is a science compared to skiing which is more of an art. Get a
powermeter and a wind-tunnel and you can learn all you need to know
about how to maximize cycling performance (ok, I know that is an
oversimplification, but you know what I mean.) but skiing has
practically an infinite number more variables. A harder problem, with
less signifigant outcomes for a smaller number of users.

It's so easy to tell the inexperienced guy wrong if you're an accomplished
athlete. Like I can ask newbie cyclists what their results lists tell me.
Founded arguments against rants are so much nicer :-)
But many quick roadies still think a tire at 10bar is faster than at 8bar,
which many newbies know to be untrue.

Educate me :-)
And how hard would it be to set up a ski building shop? Estimated start-up
costs for the equipment, tools and such? Surely something a good
wood/polymer worker could set up in his shed, if he believed in it? How were
skis made when they were still made of wood? And after? Always by high-tech
high-volume machines at Fisher and Atomic?

I could make an internal combustion engine from scratch in my garage,
but it would suck!

Joseph

I see the inpredicatable flex, yes. But with custom skis that can be
manipulated (a bit) I would guess. It's not "BLAM, ready, and see what came
out" as perhaps in mass production. How are cross-bows made? Some knowledge
may be stolen there...

Cut me some slack, I'm dieing to get some snowtime in here. Stuck in eternal
rain and wind, can't even rollerski safely.

Once the wonderful world of skate skiing became established there was a trend towards a shorter ski length.
It was the users choice, it wasnt governed by what the manufacturers had to offer but they moved with the change and worked with the skiers to develop their skate ski ranges in the shorter lengths.

I'll take the snow.
rm

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