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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
Peace, love and snow, everybody. Just remember that...
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
Zeke wrote: John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: More generally, could you try actually skiing on skis before speculating on this sort of thing. It's just a suggestion. wrote: Somebody ****ed in JT's Wheeties! Probably one of those crazies over on r.b.t! ;-) But Jan he's right, these things are interesting to think about and ponder, but once you are out on a trail, it doesn't really matter. So many other factors have so much greater a bearing on what happens that it isn't worth worrying about. Joseph, I think the point is that the loooong "rant" post which disparaged the supposed limitations of ski offerings was made by a guy who has NEVER skied and has absolutely no knowledge of snow ski technique or what body types have excelled in the sport! A perfectly valid critique, I think, and in no way indicates a ****y attitude. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone who has never skied would have any basis for feeling that current offerings in ski length and flex are deficient. To assume that skis will be a limiting factor without ever having skied or knowing anything about successful ski racers makes me scratch my head for sure. I know, and I agree with you and JT, I was just trying to lighten the atmosphere after what seemed a bit harshly worded critique. I enjoy both Jan and JT's posts, so I thought some of my patened bad humor might help stave off some unpleasantness. Go out and ski, develop decent technique and fitness, only then can you have even a tiny idea if current technology and techniqe is limiting you. Until then it's just meaningless theorizing. Sure it's meaningless, but what else is one to do on a rainy afternoon! ;-) Joseph |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
schreef in bericht oups.com... Your size is not an issue Jan! So, are you coming to Norway anytime soon? ;-) I am convinced my body is sculped for the sport, but I doubt ski selection is up to speed with fit skier's my size. It can be done better. If someone with 90cm legs can handle 194cm ski's, I can handle longer and glide faster, right? Is there snow? I want to come, but have no clue where. Need to take holiday before February's end. I won't book anywhere without good snow. |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
Jan Gerrit Klok wrote: schreef in bericht oups.com... Your size is not an issue Jan! So, are you coming to Norway anytime soon? ;-) I am convinced my body is sculped for the sport, but I doubt ski selection is up to speed with fit skier's my size. It can be done better. If someone with 90cm legs can handle 194cm ski's, I can handle longer and glide faster, right? I forgot how tall you are. 196? Anyway, weight is more important to ski fit, and while in theory longer (unavailable) skis may be better for you, it wouldn't really matter until you got, really, REALLY good. And I don't mean just good enough for the Dutch national squad (cheap-shot joke, for all I know you guys have a great squad), I mean world class. Is there snow? I want to come, but have no clue where. Need to take holiday before February's end. I won't book anywhere without good snow. In February, there should be snow everywhere. Oslo is probably the cheapest place to visit, and the skiing is wonderful, but if all you want to do is ski, perhaps a mountain area like Sjusjøen would be better. If you really want snow, go to Finse: http://www.finse.com/images/291206/Finse/Hpim0971.html I don't really know where is good to go, I just use my local skiarena, and go to arranged race/tours like Birkebeiner, etc. so I don't pay anttention to other places there is skiing. Send email to Terje, he'll know where to go. Joseph |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
Wow, what a surprise such responses, how could I have seen those coming? :-)
All very fair, I have zero experience. But call me wrong. Would drinkgrappadaily not be better off with the 205cm skate ski's he dreams of? Won't it "fit" better, and glide faster? Big guys want to glide, too! And why would a sport as large (heck, Olympic...) not have custom ski builders? Killed by the large comps? Less entrepreneurship in this business vs. in cycling which at one point was good for 50% of all patents applied for? It's so easy to tell the inexperienced guy wrong if you're an accomplished athlete. Like I can ask newbie cyclists what their results lists tell me. Founded arguments against rants are so much nicer :-) But many quick roadies still think a tire at 10bar is faster than at 8bar, which many newbies know to be untrue. Educate me :-) And how hard would it be to set up a ski building shop? Estimated start-up costs for the equipment, tools and such? Surely something a good wood/polymer worker could set up in his shed, if he believed in it? How were skis made when they were still made of wood? And after? Always by high-tech high-volume machines at Fisher and Atomic? I see the inpredicatable flex, yes. But with custom skis that can be manipulated (a bit) I would guess. It's not "BLAM, ready, and see what came out" as perhaps in mass production. How are cross-bows made? Some knowledge may be stolen there... Cut me some slack, I'm dieing to get some snowtime in here. Stuck in eternal rain and wind, can't even rollerski safely. |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
Jan Gerrit Klok wrote: Wow, what a surprise such responses, how could I have seen those coming? :-) All very fair, I have zero experience. But call me wrong. Would drinkgrappadaily not be better off with the 205cm skate ski's he dreams of? Won't it "fit" better, and glide faster? Big guys want to glide, too! And why would a sport as large (heck, Olympic...) not have custom ski builders? Killed by the large comps? Less entrepreneurship in this business vs. in cycling which at one point was good for 50% of all patents applied for? I think it is because it just doesn't matter. There are so many factors to good skiing and technique that are impossible to quantify, let alone isolate and teach to others, that any potential gains for the few large folks isn't worth it. XC skiing is tiny compared to cycling, and cycling is a science compared to skiing which is more of an art. Get a powermeter and a wind-tunnel and you can learn all you need to know about how to maximize cycling performance (ok, I know that is an oversimplification, but you know what I mean.) but skiing has practically an infinite number more variables. A harder problem, with less signifigant outcomes for a smaller number of users. It's so easy to tell the inexperienced guy wrong if you're an accomplished athlete. Like I can ask newbie cyclists what their results lists tell me. Founded arguments against rants are so much nicer :-) But many quick roadies still think a tire at 10bar is faster than at 8bar, which many newbies know to be untrue. Educate me :-) And how hard would it be to set up a ski building shop? Estimated start-up costs for the equipment, tools and such? Surely something a good wood/polymer worker could set up in his shed, if he believed in it? How were skis made when they were still made of wood? And after? Always by high-tech high-volume machines at Fisher and Atomic? I could make an internal combustion engine from scratch in my garage, but it would suck! Joseph I see the inpredicatable flex, yes. But with custom skis that can be manipulated (a bit) I would guess. It's not "BLAM, ready, and see what came out" as perhaps in mass production. How are cross-bows made? Some knowledge may be stolen there... Cut me some slack, I'm dieing to get some snowtime in here. Stuck in eternal rain and wind, can't even rollerski safely. |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
Once the wonderful world of skate skiing became established there was a trend towards a shorter ski length.
It was the users choice, it wasnt governed by what the manufacturers had to offer but they moved with the change and worked with the skiers to develop their skate ski ranges in the shorter lengths. |
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