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Mountaineering boots on nordic skis
Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic skis
(for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing boots and wear cross country boots? The only bindings I can find for mountaineering boots are Silvretta 500 on AT skis. Roy. |
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I know that in Richard Weber's book about skiing to the North Pole &
back, he talks about using bindings like that, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned the brand name as well. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the book here, so I can't look it up for you. Good luck finding something that works. Colin |
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Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic skis
(for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing boots and wear cross country boots? Some winter hikers I knew in New England swore by the Scarpa T2s & T3s -- i.e. a ski boot that's also suitable for mountaineering. There's a dated but relevant thread he http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-an...?msg_id=0001PY you could also post on rec.skiing.backcountry |
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In article , "Roy" roy wrote:
Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic skis (for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing boots and wear cross country boots? The only bindings I can find for mountaineering boots are Silvretta 500 on AT skis. Roy. If you haven't checked out rec.skiing.backcountry already you might post this question there. I'll bet you'll get more responses. Ralph Thornton ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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In article , Roy roy wrote: Are there any bindings available to fit plastic double boots on nordic skis (for approaches to climbs), rather than having to carry climbing boots and wear cross country boots? The only bindings I can find for mountaineering boots are Silvretta 500 on AT skis. _ I'm having a blast with my Silveretta 500's on very short Alpina X-terrain waxless skis and mountaineering boots, but that rig is probably over kill for want you want. _ There are several very simple bindings that meet your requirements. Very hard to find in NA though, I would try some of the European sites. Stubai makes one http://www.yuccadune.com/product620.html Don't expect to make either turns or much speed on it though. This may be heresy, but if you really look at the issues of speed, complexity, cost and weight, snowshoes almost always win out in the long run. Skis are a lot more fun, but they are heavier and ultimately slower particularly if you get skis beefy enough to do more than survival kick turns on the way down. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBRBB9LGTWTAjn5N/lAQEaGAQAk1z5XLU0XYHfiqOWfRPchCd/dah9SKol BoY9EFkffwwj4554yH4NP0MY62wrOBDpJ0Ojz+WeUZAYFQ1CRx DvhGDTYimxv0IA kWd+e3520CGQVawoDxvR95c+JlOn+UUZ9QZ5QJvEe4hxBa94yB TEjG+a5W8hDTHL l2uIFb/6tQk= =J1QO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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.. This may be heresy, but if you really look at the issues of speed, complexity, cost and weight, snowshoes almost always win out in the long run. Skis are a lot more fun, but they are heavier and ultimately slower particularly if you get skis beefy enough to do more than survival kick turns on the way down. So when trying to get from point A to point B as fast as possible you would choose snow shoes over skis? Interesting. I might choose snow shoes over alpine skis that do not allow the heel to release but otherwise........ |
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In article .com, xcwhite wrote: . This may be heresy, but if you really look at the issues of speed, complexity, cost and weight, snowshoes almost always win out in the long run. Skis are a lot more fun, but they are heavier and ultimately slower particularly if you get skis beefy enough to do more than survival kick turns on the way down. So when trying to get from point A to point B as fast as possible you would choose snow shoes over skis? Interesting. I might choose snow shoes over alpine skis that do not allow the heel to release but otherwise........ _ If it involves a significant amount of steep climbing on unpacked ungroomed snow, the answer is yes snowshoes are faster. If it's mostly flat ground skis can be faster. There is a reason snowshoes are banned from Rando Mountaineering races. Races up/down mountains where both snowshoers and skiers compete are generally won by snowshoers. ( i.e. The Billy Dutton Up/Down race at Squaw Valley). _ If you're also hauling along all gear needed for an ice climb, snowshoes generally win just on the weight factor. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBRBnstWTWTAjn5N/lAQHtPQP/VB5GZx6MAgYMF2Dho2/ttnac3JoTsSpC Y3qhYnFgliOFkIx14zUefniQVR73gLEgNaU2UiDwf/rgM10mW/h7HGFWdcUcamzk A11S2T9VcF7cVoQhftJ7/54b+JIgbyygfl/CUSx6+bc6wGsOjM7ROoFwuMU5KTxn ckSxdJeMKoo= =JrjG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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I think you underestimate how light ski gear can be. An ice climber
uses plastic boots so that there is no weight advantage with foot wear. There is randonee ski gear out there that rivals the weight of a set of snow shoes needed to carry a large amount of gear. Ultimately, it depends on how well you ski. So for a typical Randonee Race with 5,000 ft. of elevation gain and loss, you would choose snow shoes over randonee gear? Top level rando racers complete these races in under two hours on skis and you are saying they would be faster on snowshoes? The problem with snowshoes is not on the ups but on the downs. A human cannot run downhill at 30 to 40 mph. If the up is an ungroomed trail and very steep, skis can still be faster since the skier can z up the slope where as the snow shoes must post hole straight up (much slower on 30 to 40 degree slopes). Snow shoes are not a good choice traverses of steep slopes especially larger snow shoes. I am not familiar with the Billy Dutton Up/Down race at Squaw but America's uphill in Aspen is often a toss up between skiers on lightweight cross country gear with skins and show shoers and there is no downhill. The slim weight advantage gained from snow shoes does not make up for their speed going down even including the time it takes to remove skins from skis (if needed). |
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In article . com, xcwhite wrote: I think you underestimate how light ski gear can be. An ice climber uses plastic boots so that there is no weight advantage with foot wear. There is randonee ski gear out there that rivals the weight of a set of snow shoes needed to carry a large amount of gear. _ The lightest binding that fits a mountaineering boot is just under 3lbs, "light" skis are at best 4lbs a pair. Other than old wooden snowshoes, I can't find a modern pair that weighs 7lbs. And breaking trail with those 4lbs skis is not going to be much fun.... Ultimately, it depends on how well you ski. So for a typical Randonee Race with 5,000 ft. of elevation gain and loss, you would choose snow shoes over randonee gear? Top level rando racers complete these races in under two hours on skis and you are saying they would be faster on snowshoes? _ I think it's probably a wash, but why are snowshoes illegal? However, I'm not talking about a rando race, but going up/down a mountain in the winter. At best a rando setup is going to be in the 5-7 lbs range and that's with bindings that don't work with mountain boots and doesn't include the weight of the skins. Wnen you're going uphill weight matters, glide does not. HEAVY snowshoes weigh 4 lbs. _ Here's another example Echo to Kirkwood. This is a race with a steep 2k vert climb in the beginning, a long groomed traverse and a not quite as steep descent at the end. Snowshoers regularly finish in the top 10 and that's with most of it groomed for skating. The problem with snowshoes is not on the ups but on the downs. A human cannot run downhill at 30 to 40 mph. _ You're not going to be doing 30 or 40 mph on Mountain boots either. Even the lightest rando boots offer much more control than mountain boots. Being faster on the down hills is far less advantageous than being faster on the uphills. Traveling in the mountains you spend roughly 90% of your time going uphill on skis. If the up is an ungroomed trail and very steep, skis can still be faster since the skier can z up the slope where as the snow shoes must post hole straight up (much slower on 30 to 40 degree slopes). _ Why? My experience in using VERT's snowshoes convinces me of the exact opposite conclusion. If your lungs are up to it, straight uphill is always the fastest. Also, I don't understand why a snowshoer can't traverse, I certainly see lot's of traversing snowshoe tracks in the mountains. The slim weight advantage gained from snow shoes does not make up for their speed going down even including the time it takes to remove skins from skis (if needed). _ It's not slim, it's generally more than 50%. Racing snowshoes are under 2lbs a pair, cost less than a pair of AT bindings and will probably work just fine for a ice climb approach. Having said all that I would still use skis because they are more fun, but the are 3-4x expensive, 2x heavier and at best only offer a marginal performance advantage. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBRBtASWTWTAjn5N/lAQEYqQP/aCcg4pJS9e4QXQTx8NiFHkYKGVt2llJN ctZHc/xHhPg3LeRJ2BhBdWzq3/r2E6T6o+0nI3/1+o8RuI+gZXYaqUoyTRaMn33B E3ZgMiT/EogZF14ENHRNabW/2rm1HPWOk4rjdpMzENk89oZXG8efnY+zMvyaemAa D08rXgxoX0M= =BuJE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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