Are their any "Snowboard Only - No Skis" Resorts out there yet ?

Well the temptation has certainly been there... but they wouldn't have a
clue what you're yelling about. Some of them would even claim to be
"carving". Many of them will be proudly bragging that they rode a "black
diamond" run that day.

Ah yes, I remember the first time I "made it down a black diamond"...

Mike T wrote:

What's your ideal "snowboard-only" resort like? Is it like a normal ski
resort, only no skiers allowed? Or is the whole thing one big terrain
park? What about alpine snowboarders (using hard boots), monoskis, and
split-boards - would they be allowed at your "no-ski" resort?

I would rather not see such a thing. First, the rift between skiers and
snowboarders has been closing in many areas over the years and I for one am
happy about that. Snowboarders and skiers are getting long better.
Pushing for a snowboard-only resort would probably renew some of the
tension, and I have no wish to see that.



I was annoyed equally by skiiers and boarders alike this weekend, so to
me it really makes no difference which (if any) were banned. they both
suck. hell, people suck :-)

but the snow was good enough for me to not care much. one instructor(!)
even ran over the front my board while sliding backward teaching a small
group as I was skating up to one of the smaller lifts. I had better
experiences than that day LOL. tomorrow should be better though....

oh yeah did I mention so. cal has 3-7 feet of new snow?? wooooo
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Neil Gendzwill wrote:

I don't think I would cut any trails differently - its not the trails
its the quality of the snow and I just think in most cases skiiers
trash things a lot quicker then boarders.


You're a funny guy. If I ruled the world, all side-slipping boarduroy
makers would be relegated to the bunny hill.

Neil


the main problem I find with skiiers is they like to take up the entire
run and could care less if there's someone coming up behind them quickly
trying to pass on one side. instead, they often cut them off with their
zigzagging -- even on an uncrowded trail...

you'd think since most of them have been at it forever and /or are older
than dirt they'd look where they're going, but guess not. I always
check over my shoulder every so often and make sure there's nobody I
might collide with from behind, as well as ahead and to the side (i.e.
trails merging).

plus those double planks take up waaay too much room in the lift line :-D

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bri719 wrote:

the main problem I find with skiiers is they like to take up the entire
run and could care less if there's someone coming up behind them quickly
trying to pass on one side. instead, they often cut them off with their
zigzagging -- even on an uncrowded trail...

Actually that's usually the complaint they have with us carvers - we
tend to use the entire width of the trail, while skiers take a
straighter line. Regardless, they're the downhill skier/rider, it's
your duty to avoid them, not the other way around.

And by the way, that "zigzagging" would be turns, you should look into
them sometime, they're a lot of fun. They are perfectly within their
rights to turn back and forth.

you'd think since most of them have been at it forever and /or are older
than dirt they'd look where they're going, but guess not. I always
check over my shoulder every so often and make sure there's nobody I
might collide with from behind, as well as ahead and to the side (i.e.
trails merging).

I'll definitely look uphill before launching into a big-ass carve, but
even if I didn't and someone ran into me from above, it's his fault, not
mine. Of course I could be right - dead right, as my dad likes to say
about similar situations in driving. Which is why I look. But it
doesn't change the fact that we all have a responsibility to avoid the
downhill skier/rider.

Neil

Neil Gendzwill wrote:

And by the way, that "zigzagging" would be turns, you should look into
them sometime, they're a lot of fun. They are perfectly within their
rights to turn back and forth.

I do them a lot, my gf gets mad at me :-) I enjoy the carve, but not
when passing others or potentially being passed. sometimes I envision
they're automatons on 2 planks, being controlled by a giant 3 year old
with a remote control. that's the only reasoning I can find behind the
path they insist on taking. maybe it's because skiing inherently
doesn't lend itself to long, gradual turns but really don't know.

I find they're unpredictable, as many times when I've drawn even with
them or slightly ahead and are about to make my turn, they turn right
towards or into me. I've skiied before, but no idea the mentality
behind it. I enjoy the slight, tight turns and speed involved in
carving a run, but if I see a skier along side me not respecting my
line, spraying snow with a pole hanging out there about to plant into my
board, I immediately have to slam on the brakes. most don't even turn
their head and I've never heard a "sorry", as I often throw out there
when getting too close to anyone on a run. granted, many snowboarders
think they own the slopes but there are many skiers out there that
deserve that criticism just as much if not more.

I find a lot of clueless boarders or "newbs" but they're pretty easy to
avoid for whatever reason.

you'd think since most of them have been at it forever and /or are
older than dirt they'd look where they're going, but guess not. I
always check over my shoulder every so often and make sure there's
nobody I might collide with from behind, as well as ahead and to the
side (i.e. trails merging).

I'll definitely look uphill before launching into a big-ass carve, but
even if I didn't and someone ran into me from above, it's his fault,
not mine. Of course I could be right - dead right, as my dad likes to
say about similar situations in driving. Which is why I look. But it
doesn't change the fact that we all have a responsibility to avoid the
downhill skier/rider.


true

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Actually that's usually the complaint they have with us carvers - we
tend to use the entire width of the trail, while skiers take a
straighter line. Regardless, they're the downhill skier/rider, it's
your duty to avoid them, not the other way around.

Depends on the skiier. This last weekend I got chased down by a ski rep
for Head who saw me carving some turns to the side of the gate training
session he was helping with. He did a run with us, was interesting to
talk to. He may have been a grey beard, but he was entirely of the new
school of ski technique. Solid carves, weight even on both feet,
totally angulated so that his shoulders stayed level to the hill. I've
only seen a few folks that ski like that, but I imagine as we get
generations of folks who've only ridden the more aggressivly shaped
ski's, we'll see stuff change, and maybe see ski carving take off in
popularity.

"L H" wrote in message
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Haven't found any yet. When ?


I hear there's one near Bahgdad, and that it must be seen to be believed.
Have a nice trip.

"bri719" wrote in message
And by the way, that "zigzagging" would be turns, you should look into
them sometime, they're a lot of fun. They are perfectly within their
rights to turn back and forth.

I do them a lot, my gf gets mad at me :-) I enjoy the carve, but not
when passing others or potentially being passed. sometimes I envision
they're automatons on 2 planks, being controlled by a giant 3 year old
with a remote control. that's the only reasoning I can find behind the
path they insist on taking. maybe it's because skiing inherently
doesn't lend itself to long, gradual turns but really don't know.

I find they're unpredictable, as many times when I've drawn even with
them or slightly ahead and are about to make my turn, they turn right
towards or into me. I've skiied before, but no idea the mentality
behind it. I enjoy the slight, tight turns and speed involved in
carving a run, but if I see a skier along side me not respecting my
line, spraying snow with a pole hanging out there about to plant into my
board, I immediately have to slam on the brakes. most don't even turn
their head and I've never heard a "sorry", as I often throw out there
when getting too close to anyone on a run. granted, many snowboarders
think they own the slopes but there are many skiers out there that
deserve that criticism just as much if not more.

Swap a few words, and this has been repeated many times on the ski group. To
the point of total boredom. Skiers need to learn how boarders move and
boarders need to know how skiers move. Skiers need to know that boarders
can't see on their backside. Boarders need to know that skiers can't see
behind them. Both need to accommidate the turns the others make. You need to
allow room for whatever they do, since you can't know exactly what anyone
else will do. If you are bombing at high speeds down intermediate trails, it
is absolutely your responsibility to avoid the people you are approching.
Even if it means slowing down.

People turn all the time because they do not want to go at high speeds. It's
better than sideslipping.

If you have to "slam on the brakes" to avoid someone, it is highly unlikely
that they should have reason to be sorry. Your speed makes it your
responsibility. "Skiers/riders below you have the right of way". I don't
think it's reasonable to expect that the moment you've passed them you have
the right to do anything and they should avoid you. High speed requires more
clearance from others to allow for the unexpected.

The biggest complaint I have about skiers is that they use their poles in
the lift lines without consideration for the boarders that will run into
them. Even my girlfriend does it to me. I also dislike the boarders that
stop at the top to buckle up where they block others people trying to get
from the lift to the slope. I just deal with these thing. Sometimes I will
say something, but I don't have any expectation that I can make it stop
happening.

Bob

While pondering the Universe, (Neil Gendzwill) wrote
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You honestly think snowboarders wouldn't create bumps?

Not to the same degree or size.

You're a funny guy. If I ruled the world, all side-slipping boarduroy
makers would be relegated to the bunny hill.

Perhaps some should, but I'd rather them going down a run then
an equally jr. skiier zigzagging every 6 feet.

While pondering the Universe, (bri719) wrote
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the main problem I find with skiiers is they like to take up the entire
run and could care less if there's someone coming up behind them quickly
trying to pass on one side. instead, they often cut them off with their
zigzagging -- even on an uncrowded trail...


well.. seeing you mention it Lets break this down into two classes:

a) the guy who is just doing their skier thing and has no clue you
would like to pass. And they are downhill so its still your job to
figure out if its safe or not;

b) the skiier who is bitter that they are being passed by somebody on a
board and actively seeks to prevent it. Some of you will say no that
doesn't happen. It does, and generally by those who would be called
'better' skiers. Evenso, as much as you'd like to crank them you
still have to yield.


My greatest annoyance with skiers, in general, revolve around
their ability to stop in the middle of a run &/or stop, and stop
often on a bumped run. When I do a bumped run, I don't want to
have to stop myself to guess what their next move (if any) will
be, nor do I enjoy trying to confine myself to whatever reduced
area of the run is available to pass by them. And you know that
9/10 times they will start again just as you approach them
causing you to again slow or stop.

But I think a lot of how you view skiers and how much they
bother/interfere with you depends a lot on where you usually
ride and how crowded it is. Narrow/crowded areas are not good
for ski/board relations.