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Board Recommendations (and what's wrong with blaring Waylon Jennings)
Someone stole my 6 year old Glissade 168 longboard (now called big gun)
and I am very sad. This board did everything: power, crud, groomers, ice. Flakey old Glissade will not be able to replace it until next year, so I am looking for alternatives. I am A freerider -- back issues keep me grounded. 150lbs, 5' 7" (170cm, 68kg) 9 years riding. A Baker boy. Off the runs, where I do most of my riding, the Pacific Northwest offers two snow conditions: Fresh with crud and no-fresh with crud, where crud means bumps with textures ranging from soft to ice commonly in the same run. Oh, yes and I love riding in crud. For no-fresh with crud I've settled on an Donek Incline 160 which I have owned in the past and I loved but is not long enough for most freshies. For fresh with crud, I'm in a quandry. Ideas are Never Summer T5 165: built like a Glissade but is it as responsive? Arbor A-frame 166: friends think it is the **** but none of them own one. Option Signature or Vinson 164-166. Burton Malolo 162: do Burtons still die after a year, my old custom did? Rossignol Jeremy Jones 162-165. Any comments? Better Ideas? |
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"Edog" wrote in news:1106018694.709330.235320
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: Someone stole my 6 year old Glissade 168 longboard (now called big gun) and I am very sad. This board did everything: power, crud, groomers, ice. Flakey old Glissade will not be able to replace it bummer man.. sorry to hear that. Off the runs, where I do most of my riding, the Pacific Northwest offers two snow conditions: Fresh with crud and no-fresh with crud, where crud means bumps with textures ranging from soft to ice commonly in the same run. Oh, yes and I love riding in crud. Dude.. great to see somebody that just likes to ride, period! Great inspiration to get me out tomorrow. This is my fourth winter in VT and last year I finally started going out as long as it was over -5 by 10am. Even did a -10 with calm wind. So a high of 0 tomorrow will feel warm |
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"Edog" wrote Someone stole my 6 year old Glissade 168 longboard (now called big gun) and I am very sad. A freerider -- back issues keep me grounded. 150lbs, 5' 7" (170cm, 68kg) 9 years riding. A Baker boy. Off the runs, where I do most of my riding, the Pacific Northwest offers two snow conditions: Fresh with crud and no-fresh with crud, where crud means bumps with textures ranging from soft to ice commonly in the same run. Oh, yes and I love riding in crud. Any comments? Better Ideas? Puzzling... I'm not a Baker boy, but I spend half of my riding days there. If anything, for Baker,even on powder days, I want a shorter board. Too much steep tree runs, really narrow chutes and bump fields that I simply can't miss to have a long board. For powder days, it'd be nice to have a Fish or something reeeeally wide but still reasonably short (like 27+cm waisted board). For the rest of the days, I'd want something still reasonably wide, with really tight freestyle-like sidecut, with very good edge grip, not too stiff, but light and strudy. I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a big board. Well, in fact I can. I destroyed my 160 Nitro Shadow last week (FUBAR edge, ~5 inches of delam and the edge looks like a corkscrew - and I don't have a slightest clue on how or when it happened!), so I had to take PalmerChannel Titanium 164 to Baker last Saturday. I had Nidecker Carbon 860 bindings mounted, I was told it's a classic BX setup. Well, two things: first, I just don't have the strength to lug this monster around on anything but smooth groomers, and second - it sucks big time for riding gnary steeps, chutes and trees. Duh! What's actually surprising, I didn't have all that much fun with it even on smooth groomers. Yes, the edge grip is unbelievable, but I had a feeling that I'm riding on top of a freaking freight train all the time. This kinda surprises me, but the better I get, the more I want to be on a softer board, with softer boots and bindings.. And I'm a pure freerider, never touched a rail yet. Also, as unbelievably solid and comfy the bindings are (they truly are amazing), they grip so well I just didn't have the range of motion that is requred for bumps, steeps, trees and rocky chutes. Even if I loosen the bindings, they still hold way too good, too restrictive. Another surprise was that I got so used to duckstance I couldn't ride more typical BX ~+25/+10 angles anymore. Had to go back to duckstance even on this board, felt much better that way. Oh well, I guess the whole BX setup will just go to eBay, and I'll be in for a new Nitro Shadow, or maybe I can find an old Burton Dragon somewhere. So... Mr. Edog, what the hell are you doing there on a long board? I'm really interested to know - your riding style, what runs are your favorite, etc.. I'm heavier and taller than you (165lbs, 5'11"), and yet I have a completely opposite idea of what's a good board for Baker. |
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Dmitry wrote:
[snip] I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a big board. Well, in fact I can. I destroyed my 160 Nitro Shadow last week (FUBAR edge, ~5 inches of delam and the edge looks like a corkscrew - and I don't have a slightest clue on how or when it happened!), so I had to take PalmerChannel Titanium 164 to Baker last Saturday. I had Nidecker Carbon 860 bindings mounted, I was told it's a classic BX setup. Kids these days - 164 is a big board? Yeesh.... Neil |
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"Neil Gendzwill" wrote [snip] I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a big board. Well, in fact I can. Kids these days - 164 is a big board? Geezers these days - can't even read. I said I can _imagine_ how would it be on a big board, after seeing the difference in how it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was easier to handle than this one. |
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Kids these days - 164 is a big board?
Geezers these days - can't even read. I said I can _imagine_ how would it be on a big board, after seeing the difference in how it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was easier to handle than this one. Was that 178 by any chance an OSin 4807? Gotta be the shortest effective edge of any 178 I have seen, with that *HUGE* nose that overshadows the fact that the effective edge goes all the way to the tail. I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that effective edge is usually a more apples-to-apples comparison, but since most boards have a similar edge-to-length ratio, people like to talk overall length 'cause it's usually printed on the board and in the model name... |
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Dmitry wrote: Puzzling... I'm not a Baker boy, but I spend half of my riding days there. If anything, for Baker,even on powder days, I want a shorter board. Too much steep tree runs, really narrow chutes and bump fields that I simply can't miss to have a long board. For powder days, it'd be nice to have a Fish or something reeeeally wide but still reasonably short (like 27+cm waisted board). For the rest of the days, I'd want something still reasonably wide, with really tight freestyle-like sidecut, with very good edge grip, not too stiff, but light and strudy. I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a big board. I am basically with you except where you say "even on powder days". A 160 cm often does O.K. for me on potatoes, but anything lighter and I'm sinking. What was wonderful about the Glissade 168 was that it rode like a considerably shorter board in the crud (trees, bumps, chutes etc.) and since I'm not going home at noon on powder days, the board I bring must go both ways (bi ?). So I'm looking for a 164+ which is quick, holds an edge, but can cut a sharp carve. Something to dance through the crud, not bulldoze (so boards like the Ride Timeless are out of the question). Really, I want my Glissade back but that is not happening. So... Mr. Edog, what the hell are you doing there on a long board? I'm really interested to know - your riding style, what runs are your favorite, etc.. I'm heavier and taller than you (165lbs, 5'11"), and yet I have a completely opposite idea of what's a good board for Baker. No we are not that different, just skining the cat from different ends. |
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Dmitry wrote:
"Neil Gendzwill" wrote [snip] I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a big board. Well, in fact I can. Kids these days - 164 is a big board? Geezers these days - can't even read. I said I can _imagine_ how would it be on a big board, after seeing the difference in how it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was easier to handle than this one. I'll let you know how it goes with the 200 when I finally get that sucker on the hill (been too cold here/no snow). And in other news my Coiler AM172 ships this week. Yay! Neil |
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Dmitry wrote: So... Mr. Edog, what the hell are you doing there on a long board? I'm really interested to know - your riding style, what runs are your favorite, etc.. I'm heavier and taller than you (165lbs, 5'11"), and yet I have a completely opposite idea of what's a good board for Baker. Sorry to follow up my own post, but I had to go and did not finish my response. To respond to your question, from a 'theoretical' prespective, the way I ride crud, the length of the board is irrelevant. I approach uneven ground as providing opportunities for turns: either A) bank off a bump or B) I ride over the bump using it to unweight the board and turn at the top. This is what I mean by dancing on the crud. Board length has little effect on either process. Of course, perfect runs are rare (and cherished in memory), so one is always cutting quickly and hard to avoid oncoming trees, making a carve across an icey steep or some other adjustments. So my board -- even my powder board -- needs to be able to cut quickly, sharply and hold an edge. I like to ride directly under chair 8, on the top part of the hill, Canuck's Delight under chair 6 is indeed a delight as are all the trees in that area, the face on the other side of chair 1 is cool, if I'm into classic moguls, I like the face that falls to the base of chair 6. On powder days, I do the Chute and Gable's, because I'm to weak a rider to do them when they are icey. So the board: longish, quick, supple, and passes the 'carves on ice' test. p.s. If you have any influence, please request lower snow levels. It is too early for spring riding. |
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"Mike T" wrote it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was easier to handle than this one. Was that 178 by any chance an OSin 4807? Gotta be the shortest effective edge of any 178 I have seen, with that *HUGE* nose that overshadows the fact that the effective edge goes all the way to the tail. I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that effective edge is usually a more apples-to-apples comparison, but since most boards have a similar edge-to-length ratio, people like to talk overall length 'cause it's usually printed on the board and in the model name... Hmm.. Gotta take that back, it was a 174 Palmer Shape. AFAIR it indeed has less effective edge than it could for its length, while the Channel Titanium has a pretty low shovel so lots of edge for the length. Also tried a 173 Fastback, and it still was easier to handle than the freakin Channel Titanium. |
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