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  #121  
Old October 27th 03, 07:50 AM
PG
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"David Mahon" wrote in message
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In article , PG
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It would be interesting to check just how many potential yes votes this
thread has produced from people who participate in the sport and do their
bit to keep discussion going in rsre. A quick look........... 0.


Perhaps it would be more useful to also look and see how many potential
yes voters it has produced from people who participate in the sport who
don't participate in RSRE. Then ask why not. Personally I avoid most non
uk.* groups for a variety of reasons, although I do occasionally foray
out.


As virtually all potential UK-based posters have access to rsre via their
servers, and as the ng sees regular, informed traffic with a minimum of
'interference' from trolls, there is no obvious reason for non-participation
in rsre that makes much sense to me. Perhaps this minority, seasonal sport
does not generate sufficient interest for a more active forum.

A proposal for a forum equivalent to fr.rec.montagne (broader-based, all
mountain activities) might have more appeal.

Pete


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  #122  
Old October 27th 03, 08:04 AM
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"Dick Gaughan" wrote in message
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In on Sun, 26 Oct
2003 08:15:09 +0100, "PG" wrote:

and I won't quote Dick
Gaughan - we don't use such language on rsre, although it might be

standard
procedures back with some of the uk hierarchy debaters.


I presume that by "such language" you are refering to my use of
the word which has, for rather a long time, had the very precise
and universal meaning on Usenet of "completely clue-resistant
entity". Like S****horpe or Penistone, it merely contains certain
letters of the alphabet in a particular sequence which happens
coincidentally, when taken in isolation from the other letters, to
be identical to an existing, shorter word frequently used as an
expletive. Unless you're AOL, in which case all three are
obscenities.


You're welcome to your opinions. I'm entitled to mine. The original
proponent asked rsre for discussion on the subject, and by my analysis
virtually all rsre regulars have responded sensibly, with reasoned argument.
Your idea of debate differs from mine - calling others "****wits" hardly
demonstrates respect, and in no way replaces argument.

Pete


  #123  
Old October 27th 03, 08:29 AM
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In message , Alex Heney
writes

I think you misread me above. I agree with everything you wrote, and
while I'm open to argument, at the moment I would be voting against
the group, because I think it would be likely to have a negative
impact on my usenet experience.


In which case I will vote "yes" in order to avoid a negative impact on
my Usenet experience i.e. upholding the uk.* hierarchy (which I use
extensively) against those who wish to veto uk groups in order to
protect groups in other hierarchies.

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  #124  
Old October 27th 03, 08:36 AM
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:50:05 +0200, "PG"
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"Ace" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:26:18 +0200, Ian Spare
wrote:

On 17/10/2003 22:36, in article

,
" wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:16:13 +0100, Molly Mockford
wrote:


I do think, however, that more people will find the group if it were
called snowsports rather than wintersports.

When was the last time you heard somebody use the term snow sports?

How about the British Association of Snowsports Instructors?
http://www.basi.org.uk


Heh.

It has become quite common usage among ski/board schools though.
Certain members even entertained the idea of renaming the Ski Club,
either to 'Snowsports Club...' or 'Ski & Board Club...'. Thankfully
this was rejected out of hand :-)


And haven't they renamed the B.S.S.F. 'UK Snowsports'..... (for greater
impact) ?
Pete


Not seen that, but it wouldn't surprise me tremendously.

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  #125  
Old October 27th 03, 08:45 AM
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"Ace" wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:50:05 +0200, "PG"
wrote:


I do think, however, that more people will find the group if it

were
called snowsports rather than wintersports.

When was the last time you heard somebody use the term snow sports?

How about the British Association of Snowsports Instructors?
http://www.basi.org.uk

Heh.

It has become quite common usage among ski/board schools though.
Certain members even entertained the idea of renaming the Ski Club,
either to 'Snowsports Club...' or 'Ski & Board Club...'. Thankfully
this was rejected out of hand :-)


And haven't they renamed the B.S.S.F. 'UK Snowsports'..... (for greater
impact) ?


Not seen that, but it wouldn't surprise me tremendously.


Close, the BSSF is now "Snowsport GB " according to their site.


  #126  
Old October 27th 03, 09:05 AM
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:45:13 +0100, "PG"
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Close, the BSSF is now "Snowsport GB " according to their site.


uk.rec.snowsport. Much better.

Paul.

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  #127  
Old October 27th 03, 09:18 AM
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In inside of
uk.net.news.config, 'Don Aitken' wrote:

Both sides can play at that game. I have no more interest than you do,
but I will be voting no.


Your pettiness enures that I vote yes..


Exactly how is it "pettiness" if I vote no for an inadmissible reason
to cancel out the effect of {R} doing the same, but not "pettiness"
for him to do so in the first place?


Because, in general terms, the only sensible reason to vote 'no' is
because you feel the group will damage the uk.* hierarchy. Otherwise
it is sufficient that there is the right minumum number of potential
users.

{R}'s reason for voting was to counter a 'don't split my group' type
complaint, a variety of complaint that I find ludicrous because time
will settle any such problem.

In these days of crossposting there will be enough traffic 'between'
the two groups for the users to establish for themselves which is the
most appropriate. Dr Death may eventually need to prove his worth, but
that has never been a problem yet.



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  #128  
Old October 27th 03, 09:22 AM
Dave J
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In inside of
uk.net.news.config, 'Don Aitken' wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:45:34 +0100, "Ali Hopkins"
wrote:


"BrritSki" wrote in message
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I remember Chankel relating what a bunch of arses there were in unnc.


That remark ensures a few yes votes. Including mine.

And people are criticising me for saying I'll vote no?


Voting Yes on an uncontroversial group like this is much less
obnoxious than voting No.

The worst result of an unnecessary 'Yes' vote is an empty group that
gets removed later. The worst result of a pointless 'No' vote is that
some people are denied the place of comunication that they desire. I
know which I prefer.



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  #129  
Old October 27th 03, 09:28 AM
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"Dave J" wrote in message
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In inside of
uk.net.news.config, 'Don Aitken' wrote:
I remember Chankel relating what a bunch of arses there were in unnc.

That remark ensures a few yes votes. Including mine.

And people are criticising me for saying I'll vote no?


Voting Yes on an uncontroversial group like this is much less
obnoxious than voting No.

The worst result of an unnecessary 'Yes' vote is an empty group that
gets removed later. The worst result of a pointless 'No' vote is that
some people are denied the place of comunication that they desire. I
know which I prefer.


Worse still, the possibility the both suffer to the point of non-viability.
Which directly affects those that use or are likely to use these ngs, but is
only of academic interest, dare I suggest, to the hierarchy organisers, many
of whom I doubt we'll see much of either in rsre or in the new forum, should
it come about.

The bottom line is that in practice both ngs appeal to the same Europe-based
Anglophone audience, and cover the same subject matter - a seasonal,
minority sport. It would make more sense to broaden the appeal of the uk.
group by covering more ground, such as suggested elsewhere, with the likes
of uk.rec.mountainsports, or whatever.

The idea seems to have crept in, from comments made, that rsre are against
the proposal through some kind of protectionist 'logic'. I think if visitors
from unnc had greater knowledge of rsre regulars they would realise that any
objections are genuinely based on concerns for traffic overall. It is in the
interests of those who regularly participate in the sport to promote
discussion, as long as the means to do so make sense, and I'm sure all the
potential no-voters from rsre have this and only this in mind. Most of us
don't care two hoots for hierarchy politics, and which letters of the
alphabet prefix their ng, as long as it works.

Pete


  #130  
Old October 27th 03, 09:31 AM
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"Dave J" wrote in message
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In inside
of uk.net.news.config, 'David Off' wrote:

My point exactly, you will create a newsgroup that you will subsequently
have to go about removing due to lack of traffic, as you have obviously
done already judging by your comment.


How will usenet ever cope with the load. I mean, imagine it! Several
(at *least* two or three) messages inside unnc, *plus* a posting in
una requesting a fast track removal. What a horrendous task


That response like public service 'fonctionnaire' logic to me (particularly
the French version)
;o)

Pete


 




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