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Morrow Lithium too Stiff?
Hi all,
I have been boarding for one complete season and wondering is the Lithium known to be a stiff board? I am 5'11" & 175lbs and do mostly trails but try to jump once and a while and can do a tail grab. The Pipe still is a little intimidating so far. I can barely flex the thing. What are some recommended boards for more flexibility? Sales are on now, I just bought some Flow Amp 5 bindings for cheap. May need a new board down the road too! Thanks. |
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Morrow Lithium too Stiff?
GoHabsGo wrote: Hi all, I have been boarding for one complete season and wondering is the Lithium known to be a stiff board? I am 5'11" & 175lbs and do mostly trails but try to jump once and a while and can do a tail grab. The Pipe still is a little intimidating so far. I can barely flex the thing. What are some recommended boards for more flexibility? Sales are on now, I just bought some Flow Amp 5 bindings for cheap. May need a new board down the road too! Thanks. I don't usually patrol the groups during the summer that much. From what I read the Lithium is a medium-level freestyle board. Depending on the model year, I've read comments that it is too flexy to it being "a little stiff" which in my mind means it's a little soft because most people have never ever even ridden a truly stiff board. What length are you riding? I would guess a 158-161, I don't recommend anything shorter than that (shorter versions of the same model are softer than the longer versions). Why do you want more flex to your board? As you become more experienced, you will learn how do focus more of you weight and leverage onto the board and flex it more. If you are looking for a new board, here are some of my suggestions. Personally like Salomon boards (Definiton, Prospect), but they are stiffer boards and so you wouldn't like them. I'm not a big fan of the Burton Custom myself, too noodley and flexy for me, but you might like it. Ride Timeless is another board I like. Here are some boards you've probably never heard of - they don't go on sale often because they are premium boards (and usually made in very small stocks). Madd TwinTip 158 - (http://maddmikes.com/Shop1.html) my favorite board at the moment. Has an extremely good edge hold without being stiff, very damp so it will carve through frozen groomers and wet slop all the same. Has a good pop out of the tail too. Also very light. Donek Phoenix (www.donek.com) - shorter sidecut for quicker turns, softer flex than the Incline model. The wood construction gives a tenacious bite on edge hold, and is very responsive. I personally preferred the more dampened handling of the Madd. Donek Twin - ultra flexy, variant. Hope this helps, --Arvin |
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Morrow Lithium too Stiff?
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oups.com: GoHabsGo wrote: Hi all, I have been boarding for one complete season and wondering is the Lithium known to be a stiff board? I am 5'11" & 175lbs and do mostly trails but try to jump once and a while and can do a tail grab. The Pipe still is a little intimidating so far. I can barely flex the thing. What are some recommended boards for more flexibility? Sales are on now, I just bought some Flow Amp 5 bindings for cheap. May need a new board down the road too! Thanks. I don't usually patrol the groups during the summer that much. From what I read the Lithium is a medium-level freestyle board. Depending on the model year, I've read comments that it is too flexy to it being "a little stiff" which in my mind means it's a little soft because most people have never ever even ridden a truly stiff board. What length are you riding? I would guess a 158-161, I don't recommend anything shorter than that (shorter versions of the same model are softer than the longer versions). Why do you want more flex to your board? As you become more experienced, you will learn how do focus more of you weight and leverage onto the board and flex it more. If you are looking for a new board, here are some of my suggestions. I think mine is a 161 or 163, can't remember off hand. I do ride mostly the local hill which is 99% of the time, man made groomed trails often of the very hard packed variety. I would also like to progress a little more and get on the half-pipe. I think a bit more flex would help me in this regard. Yes/No? Personally like Salomon boards (Definiton, Prospect), but they are stiffer boards and so you wouldn't like them. I'm not a big fan of the Burton Custom myself, too noodley and flexy for me, but you might like it. Ride Timeless is another board I like. Here are some boards you've probably never heard of - they don't go on sale often because they are premium boards (and usually made in very small stocks). Madd TwinTip 158 - (http://maddmikes.com/Shop1.html) my favorite board at the moment. Has an extremely good edge hold without being stiff, very damp so it will carve through frozen groomers and wet slop all the same. Has a good pop out of the tail too. Also very light. Thanks for the recommendations. That Madd board sounds like what I need or perhaps even the Burton Custom? Will look around. Thanks, Larry |
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Morrow Lithium too Stiff?
GoHabsGo wrote: "lonerider" wrote in oups.com: I think mine is a 161 or 163, can't remember off hand. I do ride mostly the local hill which is 99% of the time, man made groomed trails often of the very hard packed variety. I would also like to progress a little more and get on the half-pipe. I think a bit more flex would help me in this regard. Yes/No? I'm my opinion, no. Flexy boards aren't good for hard, firm and fast conditions. They would be better for heavy, sloppy snow and tight spaces where you need to make quick adjustments - this includes tree runs and rail fields in the park. For the type of trails conditions you describe AND for halfpipe, I would prefer a stiffer board (doesn't have to be ultra-stiff, but I mean I would go with more flex) with very good edgehold. Especially for pipe you will want something a little stiffer that will let you carve the flats and ride up the walls well. Madd TwinTip 158 - (http://maddmikes.com/Shop1.html) my favorite board at the moment. Has an extremely good edge hold without being stiff, very damp so it will carve through frozen groomers and wet slop all the same. Has a good pop out of the tail too. Also very light. Thanks for the recommendations. That Madd board sounds like what I need or perhaps even the Burton Custom? I personally think the Custom isn't very good at firm/ icy, fast conditions as it just doesn't have the edgehold, the sidecut or the stability (start flapping) at speed. I think it's good for riding power in the trees, jibbing and rails, and jumps. So yes I would strongly recommend the Madd, that's just me. If you want to see the Madd in action, here is a video of my riding it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4reNfnIXJvc). The halfpipe walls were frozen hardpack and very firm. If you are in the New England area (since you said most of your snow is man-made) you might be able to demo a board. Good luck |
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Morrow Lithium too Stiff?
Just a quick glance through boardreviews.com shows that the Lithium is
considered pretty soft. At your size, I wouldn't go any softer for sure. Neil |
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Morrow Lithium too Stiff?
lonerider wrote:
GoHabsGo wrote: Hi all, I have been boarding for one complete season and wondering is the Lithium known to be a stiff board? I am 5'11" & 175lbs and do mostly trails but try to jump once and a while and can do a tail grab. The Pipe still is a little intimidating so far. I can barely flex the thing. What are some recommended boards for more flexibility? Sales are on now, I just bought some Flow Amp 5 bindings for cheap. May need a new board down the road too! Thanks. I don't usually patrol the groups during the summer that much. From what I read the Lithium is a medium-level freestyle board. Depending on the model year, I've read comments that it is too flexy to it being "a little stiff" which in my mind means it's a little soft because most people have never ever even ridden a truly stiff board. What length are you riding? I would guess a 158-161, I don't recommend anything shorter than that (shorter versions of the same model are softer than the longer versions). Why do you want more flex to your board? As you become more experienced, you will learn how do focus more of you weight and leverage onto the board and flex it more. If you are looking for a new board, here are some of my suggestions. Personally like Salomon boards (Definiton, Prospect), but they are stiffer boards and so you wouldn't like them. I'm not a big fan of the Burton Custom myself, too noodley and flexy for me, but you might like it. Ride Timeless is another board I like. Here are some boards you've probably never heard of - they don't go on sale often because they are premium boards (and usually made in very small stocks). Madd TwinTip 158 - (http://maddmikes.com/Shop1.html) my favorite board at the moment. Has an extremely good edge hold without being stiff, very damp so it will carve through frozen groomers and wet slop all the same. Has a good pop out of the tail too. Also very light. Donek Phoenix (www.donek.com) - shorter sidecut for quicker turns, softer flex than the Incline model. The wood construction gives a tenacious bite on edge hold, and is very responsive. I personally preferred the more dampened handling of the Madd. Donek Twin - ultra flexy, variant. Hope this helps, --Arvin Hi Arvin, Which TwinTip "options" did you settle on? (Wide, WC, CB?) Thanks! Chris |
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Morrow Lithium too Stiff?
Christopher Cox wrote: lonerider wrote: Madd TwinTip 158 - (http://maddmikes.com/Shop1.html) my favorite board at the moment. Has an extremely good edge hold without being stiff, very damp so it will carve through frozen groomers and wet slop all the same. Has a good pop out of the tail too. Also very light. Hi Arvin, Which TwinTip "options" did you settle on? (Wide, WC, CB?) Thanks! Chris I settled on the standard TT, but instead of making me wait 6 weeks while they built it, they offered me a unused prototype demo model they made that had a tiny extra bit of carbon fiber in it and had the race base. Here's the description I got for the Madd. ======================= I believe for the shape it would be 6 or 7. I have 3 of the WC & WC + CFB's we prototyped last spring and these were the next. This is slightly between standard and WC. It has the same base as the high end stuff which is way more expensive. It also has 3 CF stringers under each binding which you will see. It is way softer than my board. ======================= The reference to 6/7 is the stiffness on a scale of 1-10, with the WC being like a 7-8 and the CF being a 9-9.5. The TT is definitely has some stiffness to it, but it isn't at all the stiffest board I've ridden and is very playful. Somehow they manage to still give it amazing edgehold and high speed stability though. I'm 150 lbs btw, so if you are heavier, the stiffer options (which I was wary of) sound great. If I get a shorter madd (when they make one) I will get it with WC and the race base. |
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