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SEPARATED SHOULDER
Anyone separate their shoulder before? This past Sunday I landed on the tip
of my left shoulder and it caused a 3rd degree A/C separation. The surgeons talked me out of surgery and I will be wearing a brace for up to six weeks to try to have the best result I can get with how much the collarbone sticks up (strength and range of motion shouldn't be a problem either way). That's if I can last that long, it's been less than 48 hours so far. It happened going over a bump with a pretty good drop off that I've gone over many times in the past. I just let my board go a few degrees to the right of straight, as I went over the bump, and caught my heel edge towards the tip of the board . It flipped me, in a split second, down the hill right onto my shoulder. I guess I'm lucky it wasn't my head or neck. Unfortunately it was on a pretty hard, groomed part of the run. The week prior in the same spot and it would have been like hitting a pillow. Oh well, had a trip planned for Kirkwood later today, now my wife and kids are going without me. Would have been my first time there. Take care, Stan. |
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Stan wrote:
Anyone separate their shoulder before? This past Sunday I landed on the tip of my left shoulder and it caused a 3rd degree A/C separation. The surgeons talked me out of surgery and I will be wearing a brace for up to six weeks to try to have the best result I can get with how much the collarbone sticks up (strength and range of motion shouldn't be a problem either way). That's if I can last that long, it's been less than 48 hours so far. It happened going over a bump with a pretty good drop off that I've gone over many times in the past. I just let my board go a few degrees to the right of straight, as I went over the bump, and caught my heel edge towards the tip of the board . It flipped me, in a split second, down the hill right onto my shoulder. I guess I'm lucky it wasn't my head or neck. Unfortunately it was on a pretty hard, groomed part of the run. The week prior in the same spot and it would have been like hitting a pillow. Oh well, had a trip planned for Kirkwood later today, now my wife and kids are going without me. Would have been my first time there. Take care, Stan. Not done it, but had a few shoulder impacts before that hurt like hell - guess I've been lucky and you haven't. Good luck with the healing process! |
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I've had one second-degree and maybe two first degree shoulder
separations playing ice hockey. Are you sure you have a third-degree separate, from my understand the definition of third-degree (complete tear) always requires surgury... here's the breakdown I've known first degree - no separation/looseness in the joint, rest for 5-7 days second degree - complete separation, joint is stretch/partially torn, but still connect, rest is 2-3 weeks third degree - joint and ligaments are torn, surgury is required else range of motion is lost. http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/shou...paration_2.htm http://www.physicaltherapywebsites.c...separation.asp I would definitely recommend getting a second opinion. Since you are in the Bay area, I suggest getting an appointment with either that SOAR group (http://www.soarmedical.com/index/home.html) or Gary Fanton in particular as he just left the SOAR group to start with Palo Alto Medical Foundation I think (http://www.sportsmed.com/). He and the rest of the SOAR doctors are the team doctors for the SF 49ers, Giants, and Stanford/Santa Clara college teams. Good luck, --Arvin Stan wrote: Anyone separate their shoulder before? This past Sunday I landed on the tip of my left shoulder and it caused a 3rd degree A/C separation. The surgeons talked me out of surgery and I will be wearing a brace for up to six weeks to try to have the best result I can get with how much the collarbone sticks up (strength and range of motion shouldn't be a problem either way). That's if I can last that long, it's been less than 48 hours so far. |
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Best of luck dude, remember to tuck those arms next time. It feels
unnatural but if you have a helmet on the fall is not bad at all. I got a second degree seperation a couple years ago from throwing out my arms to break the fall, now I just try to remember to keep the limbs close by and let the bod take the brunt of the fall. Better get another opinion also, if that is not fixed correctly your shoulder will pop out when the wind blows. That will have your wife opening all your pickle jars from now on. Took me about a half year to get my shoulder straight and it was not torn. |
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Certainly a second opinion is in store if you can afford it....
I've separated my shoulders more than 4 times (3 clavicle breaks and a dislocate added to the 4), and each, you could see the tip of the shoulder dropped about a good 3" below the clavicle area. Huge swelling above the clavicle, obviously sports takes a backseat for up to 6 weeks. I was racing MX for 6 years. Blocked feeling in the shoulderblade area, almost no movement possible for 4 weeks, every one healed completely within a year or so. I'm a surfer also, so when separates heal, I can really paddle again. Never went to Doc, but my surfing friends ARE medical Docs, and usually start up racing as soon as I could brush my teeth with that arm. |
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Thanks for all the replies. Actually the thinking is leaning away from
surgery for 3rd degrees, which I was more than willing to have done. It's also a surgery that can be done after the fact without problem. The thinking is that the repairs are subject to their own complications and the results are very similar. It is a 3rd Degree AC separation, all three ligaments are torn, possibly a 3 plus. The surgeon I consulted with put me through a thorough exam and for the moment talked me out of it. He has had both shoulders with similar problems in the past and opted for no surgery himself, he said surgeons always opt for no surgery for some reason. Anyway, I'll wear the brace for a while to see if I "scar" up okay. I could actually go without it and start range of motion excersises right now but thought I'd go the extra mile to see how it goes. My arms actually weren't away from my body. I landed right on the tip of my shoulder. Like diving off of your kitchen counter with your arms at your side and having the first thing hit the ground being the tip of your shoulder. Reading posts at shoulder1.com, it appears a pretty common injury, especially to mountain bikers. Arvin thanks for the info, I won't hesitate to get a second opinion if I come to the conclusion I need one. I'm actually in the Sacramento area but will keep your info handy. Stan. "LeeD" wrote in message oups.com... Certainly a second opinion is in store if you can afford it.... I've separated my shoulders more than 4 times (3 clavicle breaks and a dislocate added to the 4), and each, you could see the tip of the shoulder dropped about a good 3" below the clavicle area. Huge swelling above the clavicle, obviously sports takes a backseat for up to 6 weeks. I was racing MX for 6 years. Blocked feeling in the shoulderblade area, almost no movement possible for 4 weeks, every one healed completely within a year or so. I'm a surfer also, so when separates heal, I can really paddle again. Never went to Doc, but my surfing friends ARE medical Docs, and usually start up racing as soon as I could brush my teeth with that arm. |
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Ouch, I had a mate who fell onto his shoulder. The ball part smashed the
socket into about 6 pieces. The surgeons originally didn't want to operate and said his shoulder was screwed. After about 3 second opinions he got the socket pinned. It took about 6 months to get to about 50% movement and 10% strength. Three years later he has about 80% movement, 50% strength, crappy long term outlook as the bone is now soft and is in need of further surgery. Having said that he went back on the same mountain after 12 months, he's also had one week in the mountain so far this year and is going off to Whistler for 20 days over Easter. Respect! So don't let any injury stop you doing your stuff but let it heal somewhat before "testing" it. Good Luck. "Stan" wrote in message ... Anyone separate their shoulder before? This past Sunday I landed on the tip of my left shoulder and it caused a 3rd degree A/C separation. The surgeons talked me out of surgery and I will be wearing a brace for up to six weeks to try to have the best result I can get with how much the collarbone sticks up (strength and range of motion shouldn't be a problem either way). That's if I can last that long, it's been less than 48 hours so far. It happened going over a bump with a pretty good drop off that I've gone over many times in the past. I just let my board go a few degrees to the right of straight, as I went over the bump, and caught my heel edge towards the tip of the board . It flipped me, in a split second, down the hill right onto my shoulder. I guess I'm lucky it wasn't my head or neck. Unfortunately it was on a pretty hard, groomed part of the run. The week prior in the same spot and it would have been like hitting a pillow. Oh well, had a trip planned for Kirkwood later today, now my wife and kids are going without me. Would have been my first time there. Take care, Stan. |
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Hi Stan,
It sounds like you are getting good advice from your doctor. I had a bad separation after a mountain bike wreck. I went back and forth on having it repaired. Doing nothing is an excellent suggestion. It is not uncommon for professional football players, including quarterbacks to have unrepaired 3rd degrees and they, obviously, depend on shoulder stability more than an average schmoe like me. In my case, my clavicle was poking through the deltoid and I got it repaired. Because I'm an idiot, I went back to biking and everthing else while the staples were still in, and worked out the "deck screw" that they had used to repair it. My shoulder looks about as bad as when I wrecked, I have big honking scar, and it still aches. You can get a second opinion, but the second guy may have a boat he's trying to pay for You got excellent advice the first time. Relax, take your pain medicine and get better. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Dave In article , "Stan" wrote: Anyone separate their shoulder before? This past Sunday I landed on the tip of my left shoulder and it caused a 3rd degree A/C separation. The surgeons talked me out of surgery and I will be wearing a brace for up to six weeks to try to have the best result I can get with how much the collarbone sticks up (strength and range of motion shouldn't be a problem either way). That's if I can last that long, it's been less than 48 hours so far. It happened going over a bump with a pretty good drop off that I've gone over many times in the past. I just let my board go a few degrees to the right of straight, as I went over the bump, and caught my heel edge towards the tip of the board . It flipped me, in a split second, down the hill right onto my shoulder. I guess I'm lucky it wasn't my head or neck. Unfortunately it was on a pretty hard, groomed part of the run. The week prior in the same spot and it would have been like hitting a pillow. Oh well, had a trip planned for Kirkwood later today, now my wife and kids are going without me. Would have been my first time there. Take care, Stan. |
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Thanks, Dave, I'm sorry to hear yours didn't come out as well as possible.
I'm actually starting to tolerate the brace a little better so we'll see how long I can wear it. I'm guessing that when everything's said and done I'll just leave it alone and live with it. If I can be pain free and have full range of motion all will be good. And then back to boarding! It sounds like yours was a five on the degree scale. Good luck. Stan. "Dave Cartman" wrote in message ... Hi Stan, It sounds like you are getting good advice from your doctor. I had a bad separation after a mountain bike wreck. I went back and forth on having it repaired. Doing nothing is an excellent suggestion. It is not uncommon for professional football players, including quarterbacks to have unrepaired 3rd degrees and they, obviously, depend on shoulder stability more than an average schmoe like me. In my case, my clavicle was poking through the deltoid and I got it repaired. Because I'm an idiot, I went back to biking and everthing else while the staples were still in, and worked out the "deck screw" that they had used to repair it. My shoulder looks about as bad as when I wrecked, I have big honking scar, and it still aches. You can get a second opinion, but the second guy may have a boat he's trying to pay for You got excellent advice the first time. Relax, take your pain medicine and get better. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Dave In article , "Stan" wrote: Anyone separate their shoulder before? This past Sunday I landed on the tip of my left shoulder and it caused a 3rd degree A/C separation. The surgeons talked me out of surgery and I will be wearing a brace for up to six weeks to try to have the best result I can get with how much the collarbone sticks up (strength and range of motion shouldn't be a problem either way). That's if I can last that long, it's been less than 48 hours so far. It happened going over a bump with a pretty good drop off that I've gone over many times in the past. I just let my board go a few degrees to the right of straight, as I went over the bump, and caught my heel edge towards the tip of the board . It flipped me, in a split second, down the hill right onto my shoulder. I guess I'm lucky it wasn't my head or neck. Unfortunately it was on a pretty hard, groomed part of the run. The week prior in the same spot and it would have been like hitting a pillow. Oh well, had a trip planned for Kirkwood later today, now my wife and kids are going without me. Would have been my first time there. Take care, Stan. |
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