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Old April 28th 04, 10:06 PM
Pete Vordenberg
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Dear ski friends… The Athletes of the US Cross Country Ski Team – lead
by Andrew Johnson, have put together a fund raising project which
includes a web site www.teamtoday.org that we will be up dating
regularly.
What I want to know is what the ski community wants from a web site.
There are a lot of great sites that deliver a lot of great info
(skinnyski, fasterskier, xcskiworld, usskiteam, skipost - etc). We
want to complement rather than compete with these existing sites.
Taking into account that this will be run by the athletes and to a
lesser degree the staff of the US team what do you want to read about?
So far we have thought to write up training, racing and random
stories, training info, training and camp opportunities, preparation
ideas… etc. In other words what can we do through this site to help
the American ski community?
The next question is what can we do to get the American ski public
involved in supporting the athletes of the US Team? How can we get
more people to contribute?

Besides raising money for the athletes' training and racing, we want
to bring skiing to a new level in the US. We hope our efforts both
through racing and communicating with the public help with this goal.
You can email me if you'd like but even better please post your ideas
here.

www.teamtoday.org

Thanks for your ideas, support and enthusiasm for cross-country ski
racing,

Pete Vordenberg
US Cross-Country Ski Team Assistant Coach
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Old April 28th 04, 11:53 PM
Fitzgerald
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I like reading " A day in the life of a ski racer" type stuff. As in your
book, I'm sure there are tons of funny/sad life stories.
Lee Fitzgerald


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Old April 29th 04, 11:29 AM
Jay Tegeder
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I agree with Lee... Get to know the USST members articles. I think
it's important to know who we are supporting. Race stories would be
good too. Throw in some pictures of our favorite skiers. Plus some
interviews with some of the top Euro racers. I'm not a technique freak
but I think many skiers would appreciate Pete's instructional stuff.
Someone needs to come up with a biography page for all of the top
racers complete with pictures... Maybe that's more than you guys want
to take on. I'll support whatever you do though. Thanks for coming up
with this idea. Oh yeah, how about details on some of your favorite
wax/structure combinations?

Jay Tegeder
"Keep training, lycra never lies!" JT


"Fitzgerald" wrote in message news:RtXjc.9343$RE1.907856@attbi_s54...
I like reading " A day in the life of a ski racer" type stuff.

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Old April 29th 04, 03:08 PM
Jeff Potter
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I really liked Pete's season reports and strategy explanations and updates from last year. Not
just a "this happened to me" but what are we thinking about where we're going and how is the
progress coming along in same. I appreciated how candid he was. His tech tips were great, too
(press knee to ski tip really helped me on steep uphills).

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Old April 29th 04, 04:15 PM
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Mr. Vordenberg,

My two cents. Information related to making XC skiing better is ultimately the value-add of your website. That is a primary reason I enjoy the email strings of this forum so much. If I could take the 'lessons learned' from the responses to a topic and store it in a website for future reference, that would be valuable to me. Might even pay for it.

One other thought...sometimes 'reading' isn't what I want to do, but 'gaining information' is. Conveying information visually is a powerful way to teach. The use of video, animated simulations and interaction with the information make the learning experience much richer, and enjoyable. Drills, techniques, helpful hints could all be done in this 'rich' medium.

Again........just my thoughts.........Jim Cloutier

Pete Vordenberg wrote:
Dear ski friends The Athletes of the US Cross Country Ski Team lead
by Andrew Johnson, have put together a fund raising project which
includes a web site www.teamtoday.org that we will be up dating
regularly.
What I want to know is what the ski community wants from a web site.
There are a lot of great sites that deliver a lot of great info
(skinnyski, fasterskier, xcskiworld, usskiteam, skipost - etc). We
want to complement rather than compete with these existing sites.
Taking into account that this will be run by the athletes and to a
lesser degree the staff of the US team what do you want to read about?
So far we have thought to write up training, racing and random
stories, training info, training and camp opportunities, preparation
ideas etc. In other words what can we do through this site to help
the American ski community?
The next question is what can we do to get the American ski public
involved in supporting the athletes of the US Team? How can we get
more people to contribute?

Besides raising money for the athletes' training and racing, we want
to bring skiing to a new level in the US. We hope our efforts both
through racing and communicating with the public help with this goal.
You can email me if you'd like but even better please post your ideas
here.

www.teamtoday.org

Thanks for your ideas, support and enthusiasm for cross-country ski
racing,

Pete Vordenberg
US Cross-Country Ski Team Assistant Coach







Cloutier Concept & Design
13629 46th Street NE
St. Michael, MN 55376
(c) 612.386.3346
www.cc-d.com


"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
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Old April 29th 04, 07:13 PM
revyakin
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(skinnyski, fasterskier, xcskiworld, usskiteam, skipost - etc

.... something NOT specific to a particular area. E.g. the skinnyski
site is nice, but it's all about midwest (as well is 90% of r.s.n.,
BTW)
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Old April 29th 04, 09:36 PM
Erik Brooks
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I like Jim's comments. To just expand on that a bit. It helpful to me =
to read about technique in here and in the Master Skier, but I find it =
LOTS more helpful to see video demonstrating the point at the same time. =
Of course we have the videos that Janne helpfully shares with us - =
Thanks, Janne!. But the combination of useful text about current =
thinking, combined with a video clip of a top US racer skiing =
specifically to demonstrate that point, would be 'greater than the sum =
of the parts', IMHO.

Pete,
Assuming you go back to New Zealand this (summer? winter?), perhaps =
that would be a great time to put some videos 'in the can', and dole =
them out a bit at a time. Video clips of off-season training would be =
equally valuable. Also, since the clips I'm thinking of should be =
rather short, I'd hope that they would show in a larger window than the =
ones that Janne provides.

Thanks for whatever you do!

Erik Brooks,
Seattle
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Subject: What do you all want to read about?


Mr. Vordenberg,

My two cents. Information related to making XC skiing better is =
ultimately the value-add of your website. That is a primary reason I =
enjoy the email strings of this forum so much. If I could take the =
'lessons learned' from the responses to a topic and store it in a =
website for future reference, that would be valuable to me. Might even =
pay for it.

One other thought...sometimes 'reading' isn't what I want to do, but =
'gaining information' is. Conveying information visually is a powerful =
way to teach. The use of video, animated simulations and interaction =
with the information make the learning experience much richer, and =
enjoyable. Drills, techniques, helpful hints could all be done in this =
'rich' medium.

Again........just my thoughts.........Jim Cloutier

Pete Vordenberg wrote:
Dear ski friends The Athletes of the US Cross Country Ski Team lead
by Andrew Johnson, have put together a fund raising project which
includes a web site www.teamtoday.org that we will be up dating
regularly.
What I want to know is what the ski community wants from a web site. =

There are a lot of great sites that deliver a lot of great info
(skinnyski, fasterskier, xcskiworld, usskiteam, skipost - etc). We
want to complement rather than compete with these existing sites.=20
Taking into account that this will be run by the athletes and to a
lesser degree the staff of the US team what do you want to read =
about?
So far we have thought to write up training, racing and random
stories, training info, training and camp opportunities, preparation
ideas etc. In other words what can we do through this site to help
the American ski community?
The ! next question is what can we do to get the American ski public
involved in supporting the athletes of the US Team? How can we get
more people to contribute?

Besides raising money for the athletes' training and racing, we want
to bring skiing to a new level in the US. We hope our efforts both
through racing and communicating with the public help with this =
goal.
You can email me if you'd like but even better please post your =
ideas
here.

www.teamtoday.org

Thanks for your ideas, support and enthusiasm for cross-country ski
racing,

Pete Vordenberg
US Cross-Country Ski Team Assistant Coach







Cloutier Concept & Design
13629 46th Street NE
St. Michael, MN 55376
(c) 612.386.3346
www.cc-d.com

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Old April 30th 04, 05:32 PM
Dell Todd
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What I want to know is what the ski community wants from a web site.
There are a lot of great sites that deliver a lot of great info
(skinnyski, fasterskier, xcskiworld, usskiteam, skipost - etc). We
want to complement rather than compete with these existing sites.
Taking into account that this will be run by the athletes and to a
lesser degree the staff of the US team what do you want to read about?
So far we have thought to write up training, racing and random
stories, training info, training and camp opportunities, preparation
ideas? etc. In other words what can we do through this site to help
the American ski community?


Pete you are amazing, for asking. I hope you get what you want from
the community, from that site.

Keep us in the loop on what you guys are doing for training so we can
scale it down for our own purposes. Let us know more about:

* technique because Kris Freeman says we are stuck in the 90's
technique wise

* I liked the small bit on Swedish stomp skate sprinting, like
Marathon Skate

* How to stay healthy while training big hours & racing frequently

* Structure & waxing without giving away your secrets please

* How about food; protein, carbs, Gu's, drinks etc.

* "The day in the life" stuff like Dussault writes, and the SFT team
ski posts. Those are great, esp from the World Cup

* Sprinting...world cup does a lot of sprinting. Other than Zach, how
are we focusing on springing ?

The next question is what can we do to get the American ski public
involved in supporting the athletes of the US Team? How can we get
more people to contribute?


I would like to contribute money by purchasing US Nordic Ski Team
Gear, like that thin white hat you guys have, and other official
stuff. That would be cool. Maybe warmups. I'm planning on buying that
book. Thats a cool idea.

!!!! New idea; include a killer DVD with the book - or separate ! Walk
around w/video camera doing everyday life; your daily training
sessions (who's that chundering in the weeds ?), and race days & film
behind the scenes stuff, like that busines with Andrew Johnson washing
your skivvies by hand in the sink. Kinda gross, but kinda cool, just
because you are on the ski team. That sort of stuff. Vignettes on
running 5k's @ SoHO, plane rides, euro-hotel rooms, what do they eat
over there, recovery skiing on days off, etc etc. You could run with
that one. You guys get to lead quite a cool but tough life. Put in
film, it would make a great DVD.
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Old May 5th 04, 10:19 AM
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Fun + Excitement

I have not often re-visited existing websites associated with the US team
because the training and technique ideas seemed like "yet another boring set
of right answers". And lots of the other stuff seemed narrowly focused on
traditional racing -- except some of your stories. I need a higher ratio of
fun.

Then I read your book and found out you guys were doing lots of fun and
exciting things beyond racing. And I remember liking the way Luke's book
gave so much attention to the other fun and exciting things that were sorta
integrated with the skiing/racing lifestyle -- like heading out-of-bounds up
some nearby mountain with skis, or training in little-known European ski
villages and meeting girls.

Now I'm hearing stories that the winning Norwegian skiers were doing lots of
fun things and exciting skiing on the side (which their Norwegian coaches
often did not approve). Over-emphasis on the grimly-serious one-dimensional
goal of shaving seconds off race times is not going to work long-term in
21st century America. Not for recruiting teenage racers with the best
winning potential -- there's not enough money in traditional cross-country
ski racing -- so the team has to offer something more. (Sponsors -- you
know better than I if the old one-dimensional approach is working with
them -- but the website is going to open to everybody).

Pushing the limits on new kinds of fun and adventure on light skis, and to
new levels of achievement and excitement. That's the set of national team
racers I can get interested in.

I bet that's what some of the national team athletes are doing already. The
point is to communicate that reality. Present the leading racers as
overall exciting super-capable people who do lots of fun outdoor/snow
things -- as overall brilliant athletes who can master any complicated
sport, but _choose_ to exhibit one of the dimensions of their mastery by
engaging in serious cross country racing.

? Technique: Only if you can make it fun and playful. Videos only if they
convey fun, or if they're from exciting parts of real races.

? Training: If it's going to be sustainable long-term in modern America,
it's got to become more fun -- not just say it but exemplify it. (If you
had a list of team members' favorite backcountry skating tours near Bend and
other places, then I'd check the website for that).

? Travel to fun places: One of the key perks to dangle for recruiting.
(but when is October training going to get moved from Fairbanks to Italy?)

? New events: What new things are some national team racers trying that
could be more exciting for TV and spectators? Let's show off the
_confident_ athletes and coaches who are enlarging the
winter-sports-entertainment pie.

? New achievements: It doesn't have to be an official "competition" in
order to be worthwhile for the website -- could be a one-time skiing or
athletic achievement. A good time for these might be April -- still lots of
snow around, not interfere with race-training focus, use the tremendous
speed-endurance capabilities.

Ken


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Old May 5th 04, 02:09 PM
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Cool stuff, Ken!

I suspect that many people got fully psyched about Pete's reports that the Team
was now trying something new, was making a gamble... That puts the edge back
into things. We're not here to race but to win.

--

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