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Old August 17th 04, 05:29 AM
ShredTheGnar
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Fritschi Freeride vs. The new Naxo Bindings

Both of these bindings claim to be thrashable downhill bindings in
addition to the touring capabilities. I don't know which pair to buy.
Any help would be appreciated. The naxo has a front toe piece that
releases like normal downhill bindings. Both of these bindings have
lightweight plastic, do they perform on downhill.

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Old August 17th 04, 11:14 AM
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ShredTheGnar schrieb:

Fritschi Freeride vs. The new Naxo Bindings

Both of these bindings claim to be thrashable downhill bindings in
addition to the touring capabilities. I don't know which pair to buy.
Any help would be appreciated. The naxo has a front toe piece that
releases like normal downhill bindings. Both of these bindings have
lightweight plastic, do they perform on downhill.


Many complain about the Fritschis, but not me. I'm still using the very
first one (the grey/white) and after reinforcing the longitudinal
titanal bar and changing a little bit in the heel part (elevating the
last screw with a spacer, so it does not open anymore spontaneously) i
hadn't any problem anymore. I'm doing about 8-10 tours with 1.000 m +
dislevel. So, the use is moderate ...

The Naxo is very fine and smooth. Plus, it has a higher release value
(like the Fritschi Freeride up to 12). It's very smooth for walking. But
when it comes to steep uphill its problem is the advanced center of
rotation (before the binding) which forces you to make a longer way with
the hill.

Personally, i'd prefer the Fritschi, but that are tastes. Friends of
mine did the Sarek (an alpinelike national park in north sweden and were
very happy even with the prototype of the Naxo).

Greetings,

Ulrich
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Old August 17th 04, 04:17 PM
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ShredTheGnar wrote:
Fritschi Freeride vs. The new Naxo Bindings

Both of these bindings claim to be thrashable downhill bindings in
addition to the touring capabilities. I don't know which pair to buy.
Any help would be appreciated. The naxo has a front toe piece that
releases like normal downhill bindings. Both of these bindings have
lightweight plastic, do they perform on downhill.


The Freeride has been good to me. I use it for backcountry AND inbounds
powder day yo-yoing without hint of failure. For reference I broke four
(really!) pairs of Emory rando bindings with my powder day yo-yoing
technique which is apparently tough on bindings. (I found all the Emorys
in various garage sales so they were cheap, luckily, but having to
change out broken bindings all the time was taking its toll, so the
Freerides are a relief.)
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Old August 17th 04, 06:23 PM
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In article ,
ShredTheGnar wrote:
Fritschi Freeride vs. The new Naxo Bindings

Both of these bindings claim to be thrashable downhill bindings in
addition to the touring capabilities. I don't know which pair to buy.
Any help would be appreciated. The naxo has a front toe piece that
releases like normal downhill bindings.


_ So does the Fritschi. I don't think release is a factor.

Both of these bindings have
lightweight plastic, do they perform on downhill.


_ I skied the Naxo last winter and it performs very well as
a downhill binding. I think it's pretty much a toss-up between
the two at this point, if you stick with the Fritschi 3 binding[1].
The Fritschi has a longer history and probably has more bugs
worked out, but I had no problems with the Naxo's. I did hear
some grumblings about the heel lifter parts breaking last winter.
The Naxo is more pleasant for low angles, but people claim it
gets wonky on very steep climbs[2]. You should check out Lou
Dawson's site for more info on both bindings.

http://www.wildsnow.com/

_ I'm sold, I don't see any reason to buy another pair of regular
alpine bindings again, at least for the kind of skiing at a
resort that I do ( mostly steeps, powder). If you really want
to bash moguls all day then you might want to consider a regular
alpine binding.

_ Booker C. Bense

[1]- You'll see older versions (1,2) of this binding around for
very cheap. There's a reason, they had known reliabilty
problems.

[2]- I get wonky on steep climbs well before my bindings do.

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Old August 18th 04, 12:26 PM
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Booker C. Bense wrote:
I did hear
some grumblings about the heel lifter parts breaking last winter.


hear some mo-

http://www.pistehors.com/comments/258_0_1_0_C/

http://www.pistehors.com/comments/249_0_1_0_C/
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Old August 18th 04, 04:16 PM
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David Off wrote:

Booker C. Bense wrote:

I did hear
some grumblings about the heel lifter parts breaking last winter.



hear some mo-

http://www.pistehors.com/comments/258_0_1_0_C/

http://www.pistehors.com/comments/249_0_1_0_C/



Recall that Fritschi also took a couple of years to get it right. It's
tough being an early adopter of any new technology, from autos to
software to bindings; v1.0 is buggy.
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Old August 18th 04, 06:37 PM
Booker C. Bense
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David Off wrote:
Booker C. Bense wrote:
I did hear
some grumblings about the heel lifter parts breaking last winter.


hear some mo-

http://www.pistehors.com/comments/258_0_1_0_C/

http://www.pistehors.com/comments/249_0_1_0_C/


_ I wonder how the web is affecting toy design in
general these days. In any manufacturing process
you're going to get some duds. With the web and
small niche products, everybody that's likely to
buy your gear sees your failures. After all this
is just two out of ??? bindings. It'd be a shame
if everything ended up being designed like Bomber's
Tele binding. Indestructible, but heavy...

_ I'm not in any way staying that there aren't design
flaws in the Naxo. It's just that there seems no
way to shake them out short of selling product.
Even after BD made a big deal about "testing"
their new telemark binding they still had a recall.
Rainey's brief Beta program seems a lot more honest.

_ It's interesting in comparing this to the bike
world in which I recently got involved again. There
weight is king and people generally accept designs
that eventually break as long as they are light.
I guess it's the difference between being a taxi
ride and a 10 mile slog from home.

_ Booker C. Bense

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Old August 19th 04, 09:58 PM
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The Naxo toe design is a bit deceptive - it *looks* kind of like an
old Solly downhill toe, with the entire toe housing rotating around a
post, and hence all sealed up, unlike the Fritschi, where the pivot
point is exposed to the elements. But when you play with it in the
store, you quickly realize that only the toe jaw moves relative to the
rest of the binding, and hence it's really not much different from the
Fritschi.

The original Fritschi Diamir had a weaker central rail (although I
still have a pair that is going strong after many years). But this
was fixed with the D2 - the D3 just has a slightly stronger toe jaw
and heel cocking lever.

Also, Fritschi for this season is coming out with a ski crampon that
can somehow be attached yet not deployed - a big plus for those
situations when you're wondering whether to fix crampons now and have
an annoying drag yet therefore not have to remove the skis to attach
the crampons on some sketchy terrain.

Also also, a German ski touring magazing last year conducted a test
that essentially measured the coupling rigidity of rando bindings, and
the Diamir came out best. I have a copy I can e-mail to any
interested folks.
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Old August 19th 04, 10:29 PM
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Jonathan Shefftz wrote:

Also also, a German ski touring magazing last year conducted a test
that essentially measured the coupling rigidity of rando bindings, and
the Diamir came out best. I have a copy I can e-mail to any
interested folks.



Please.
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Old August 20th 04, 08:22 AM
David Off
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Jonathan Shefftz wrote:

Also, Fritschi for this season is coming out with a ski crampon that
can somehow be attached yet not deployed - a big plus for those
situations when you're wondering whether to fix crampons now and have
an annoying drag yet therefore not have to remove the skis to attach
the crampons on some sketchy terrain.


The Axiom crampon. It sounds interesting, sort of folds up on the toe
piece. The bindings (eXplore) are also supposed to accept the old Diamir
crampons so you don't have to throw out your old kit right away... only
people I know who skied the eXplore last season had trouble fitting the
old bindings. As Booker said above, v1.0 kit often has defects, but
someone has to be an early adopter or the state of the art won't move
forward.
 




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