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Old September 22nd 05, 01:12 AM
The Real Bev
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Los Angeles is famous for its televised car chases, but today we have
something different. A Jet Blue plane took off from Long Beach for JFK and
the nosewheel got stuck down with the tires pointing sideways. They turned
the plane around to head out over the ocean to dump fuel, but it turns out
that you can't dump the fuel from this kind of plane. So the thing is flying
back and forth back and forth to Catalina until they've burned enough fuel to
try a landing at LAX.

I just woke up for it half an hour ago. Listening to the commentators is just
like listening to the commentators for car chases or the Rose Parade. You'd
think they could give a prediction about when it's going to come down. It's
not like this is new technology or anything.

I wonder when they'll pass out free drinks to the passengers. They hope that
the wheels will straighten out when it lands...

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Old September 22nd 05, 01:23 AM
The Real Bev
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The Real Bev wrote:

Los Angeles is famous for its televised car chases, but today we have
something different. A Jet Blue plane took off from Long Beach for JFK and
the nosewheel got stuck down with the tires pointing sideways. They turned
the plane around to head out over the ocean to dump fuel, but it turns out
that you can't dump the fuel from this kind of plane. So the thing is flying
back and forth back and forth to Catalina until they've burned enough fuel to
try a landing at LAX.

I just woke up for it half an hour ago. Listening to the commentators is just
like listening to the commentators for car chases or the Rose Parade. You'd
think they could give a prediction about when it's going to come down. It's
not like this is new technology or anything.

I wonder when they'll pass out free drinks to the passengers. They hope that
the wheels will straighten out when it lands...


No such luck. Impressive smoke, flames, and a nice clean straight stop. Film
at 11.

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Cheers,
Bev
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It's not the speed that kills, it's the stopping.
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Old September 22nd 05, 01:27 AM
klaus
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The Real Bev wrote:

No such luck. Impressive smoke, flames, and a nice clean straight stop. Film
at 11.


I watched it here. Pretty effin amazing. He held the nose up forever.
Good landing.

-klaus
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Old September 22nd 05, 01:34 AM
The Real Bev
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klaus wrote:

The Real Bev wrote:

No such luck. Impressive smoke, flames, and a nice clean straight stop. Film
at 11.


I watched it here. Pretty effin amazing. He held the nose up forever.
Good landing.


How much braking can you get with the rear wheels? Can it possibly be enough,
or do they reverse the engines?

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Bev
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Old September 22nd 05, 01:34 AM
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:12:08 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote:

Los Angeles is famous for its televised car chases, but today we have
something different. A Jet Blue plane took off from Long Beach for JFK and
the nosewheel got stuck down with the tires pointing sideways. They turned
the plane around to head out over the ocean to dump fuel, but it turns out
that you can't dump the fuel from this kind of plane.


WHAAAT? Okay, I haven't googled this or anything, but.....WHAAAT?
What the hell kinda plane is it? I kinda figured that a "dump the
fuel" option would be sort of an essential safety feature on any
modern passenger plane. Guess not.

bw
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Old September 22nd 05, 01:37 AM
Dave Stallard
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The Real Bev wrote:
Los Angeles is famous for its televised car chases, but today we have
something different. A Jet Blue plane took off from Long Beach for
JFK and the nosewheel got stuck down with the tires pointing
sideways. They turned the plane around to head out over the ocean to
dump fuel, but it turns out that you can't dump the fuel from this
kind of plane. So the thing is flying back and forth back and forth
to Catalina until they've burned enough fuel to try a landing at LAX.


I just woke up for it half an hour ago. Listening to the
commentators is just like listening to the commentators for car
chases or the Rose Parade. You'd think they could give a prediction
about when it's going to come down. It's not like this is new
technology or anything.

I wonder when they'll pass out free drinks to the passengers. They
hope that the wheels will straighten out when it lands...


Everything is OK now:

A JetBlue airliner with its front landing gear stuck sideways landed
safely Wednesday, balancing on its back wheels as it slowed on the
runway at Los Angeles International Airport.

As the front wheels touched the runway, flames shot along the tarmac
and the tires tore off, leaving the metal gear scraping the runway
for the final few yards.

The pilots of Flight 292 had discovered the problem as they tried to
retract the plane's landing gear shortly after leaving Burbank's Bob
Hope Airport bound for New York, said JetBlue spokesman Bryan
Baldwin.

With 139 passengers on board, the plane circled the Los Angeles area
for three hours as the pilots burned off fuel and officials tried to
determine how to bring the plane in safely.

Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Donn Walker said the Airbus
A320 burned off fuel to lighten the plane for landing.

The plane first circled the Long Beach Airport, about 30 miles south
of Burbank, then was cleared to land at Los Angeles, said LAX
spokeswoman Nancy Castles.

Baldwin said the pilots had reported a landing gear indication light
on shortly after takeoff at 3:17 p.m. The plane landed about 6:20
p.m.

JetBlue is based in Forest Hills, N.Y.


Hell, at least they weren't riding AirTran.

Dave
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Old September 22nd 05, 02:26 AM
The Real Bev
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bdubya wrote:

wrote:

Los Angeles is famous for its televised car chases, but today we have
something different. A Jet Blue plane took off from Burbank[1] for JFK and
the nosewheel got stuck down with the tires pointing sideways. They turned
the plane around to head out over the ocean to dump fuel, but it turns out
that you can't dump the fuel from this kind of plane.


WHAAAT? Okay, I haven't googled this or anything, but.....WHAAAT?
What the hell kinda plane is it? I kinda figured that a "dump the
fuel" option would be sort of an essential safety feature on any
modern passenger plane. Guess not.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092101998.html
Some online TV stations have movies that windows people can see. If you don't
have a washpost login you can use this one:

login:
password: rathered

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type 'yahoo search engine' into Google." -D.Miller
[1] factual error; corrected.
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Old September 22nd 05, 03:49 AM
bdubya
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:25:35 -0600, AstroPax
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:34:42 GMT, bdubya
wrote:

WHAAAT? Okay, I haven't googled this or anything, but.....WHAAAT?
What the hell kinda plane is it? I kinda figured that a "dump the
fuel" option would be sort of an essential safety feature on any
modern passenger plane. Guess not.


It was an A320, and like most newer jets, it can't dump gas. No big
deal.


So that's part of the design brief? In case of emergency that could
require a hard landing, they'll have to fly in circles until the tanks
are near dry first? I'm not claiming to be better qualified than the
designers, I'm just mystified.....please don't tell me this choice was
made due to the environmental impact of dumping the fuel....

bw
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Old September 22nd 05, 06:50 AM
BrritSki
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klaus wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:

No such luck. Impressive smoke, flames, and a nice clean straight
stop. Film
at 11.


I watched it here. Pretty effin amazing. He held the nose up forever.
Good landing.

When I was training as a pilot in the RAF on 2-seat sub-sonic jets my
instructor cancelled my lesson with him and sent me off solo while he
took another student up.

I was toodling around doing what I'd been told, when I noticed the tower
calling my instructor's call-sign a lot, so when I started to pay
attention, I realised that he was being asked for fuel states and so on.

All aircraft were ordered to either land immediately or divert to
another airfield, so I came in, parked and asked what the trouble was.

They were not getting 3 green lights on the landing gear and a low-level
pass confirmed that the nose wheel wasn't down. So after dumping all the
fuel they came in with all the wheels up - apparently this was safer
than trying to land on 2 as it would probably cartwheel.

He bought it in beautifully, held it about 6 inches off the ground until
it stalled and touched down light as a feather at absolutely minimum
speed. Canopy came off and there were 2 figures on the wing waiting for
it to slow down enough to jump clear. Plane was a wreck, but they were
both fine, but they were still choppered off to hosital for checks.

Discussing it with them later it seems that the student (from the Malay
airforce) was not worried at all but just wanted to eject. I'd have been
****ting myself, so I'm glad my lesson plan was changed.


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Old September 22nd 05, 07:14 AM
DZN
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This may be a stupid question but, if they had to fly around to burn fuel
any way, why didn't they fly just fly to their destination (JFK) and do the
landing there?


"The Real Bev" wrote in message
...
Los Angeles is famous for its televised car chases, but today we have
something different. A Jet Blue plane took off from Long Beach for JFK
and
the nosewheel got stuck down with the tires pointing sideways. They
turned
the plane around to head out over the ocean to dump fuel, but it turns out
that you can't dump the fuel from this kind of plane. So the thing is
flying
back and forth back and forth to Catalina until they've burned enough fuel
to
try a landing at LAX.

I just woke up for it half an hour ago. Listening to the commentators is
just
like listening to the commentators for car chases or the Rose Parade.
You'd
think they could give a prediction about when it's going to come down.
It's
not like this is new technology or anything.

I wonder when they'll pass out free drinks to the passengers. They hope
that
the wheels will straighten out when it lands...

--
Cheers,
Bev
=================================================
It's not the speed that kills, it's the stopping.



 




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