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Old December 3rd 03, 07:00 AM
Terry Hill
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Default Mounting alpine bindings

If anybody could help me out with this, I would appreciate it. I have an old
pair of downhill skis that I picked up recently that seemed pretty good, and
were the right size for me, but they had old bindings on them. I was thinking
that they would make a great second pair of skis for spring skiing or for use
on days when conditions are less than optimal. Anyway, I bought a pair of
Solomon 637 bindings on eBay, and I want to install them myself, but since I
have never done it before, I need a few tips. My plan is to put them on myself
and then take the skis in for a tune-up and binding adjustment. I understand
that you have to find the ski balance point with a straightedge, and I do have
the right mounting screws, as they came with the bindings, and I know that you
have to fill the screw holes with epoxy glue. What I don't know is where
exactly do I position the bindings for mounting? How do I know how far apart
to put the bindings? Do I just hold the bindings up against the boot, or what?
And do I balance the ski with the boot in place? Any tips would be greatly
appreciated
Thanks

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Old December 3rd 03, 02:39 PM
mark
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"Terry Hill" wrote ...
If anybody could help me out with this, I would appreciate it. I have an

old
pair of downhill skis that I picked up recently that seemed pretty good,

and
were the right size for me, but they had old bindings on them. I was

thinking
that they would make a great second pair of skis for spring skiing or for

use
on days when conditions are less than optimal. Anyway, I bought a pair of
Solomon 637 bindings on eBay, and I want to install them myself, but since

I
have never done it before, I need a few tips. My plan is to put them on

myself
and then take the skis in for a tune-up and binding adjustment. I

understand
that you have to find the ski balance point with a straightedge, and I do

have
the right mounting screws, as they came with the bindings, and I know that

you
have to fill the screw holes with epoxy glue. What I don't know is where
exactly do I position the bindings for mounting? How do I know how far

apart
to put the bindings? Do I just hold the bindings up against the boot, or

what?
And do I balance the ski with the boot in place? Any tips would be greatly
appreciated
Thanks


Finding the balance point is something that is done for Nordic (cross
country) skis, with Alpine skis there is nearly always a mark on the ski for
either the toe of the boot or the midle of the boot sole, depending on who
the ski was made by. Ski shops use a jig supplied by the binding maker to
tell them where to drill the holes, anything else leaves a lot of room for
error.

Most ski shops are probably not going to want to adjust a pair of bindings
that you mounted yourself, for various liability reasons. By the time you
pay for the tuneup and binding adjust, it won't cost that much more to have
them adjusted by the shop, if they are still idemnified by Solomon, and if
they are still in good working order.
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Old December 3rd 03, 03:16 PM
Walt
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mark wrote:
"Terry Hill" wrote ...


Anyway, I bought a pair of
Solomon 637 bindings on eBay, and I want to install them myself, but since
I have never done it before, I need a few tips.


This question comes up a lot. See http://tinyurl.com/xj79 for the
last installment. What was true a month ago is still true today.
Bottom line: pay a professional to do it for you.

By the way, the Salomon 637 may not be on this year's indemnification
list. If it isn't, no shop will work on it.

Anybody know where to find this year's list? It used to be available on
the web, but it appears to have vanished...

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Old December 3rd 03, 03:36 PM
Chester Bullock
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Walt wrote:


Anybody know where to find this year's list? It used to be available on
the web, but it appears to have vanished...


The NSSRA seems to have it online, but it requires membership to access...
http://www.nssra.com/2001/nssra/inde...by%C2%A 0date

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Old December 3rd 03, 04:06 PM
Walt
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Chester Bullock wrote:
Walt wrote:


Anybody know where to find this year's [indemnification] list? It used to be available on
the web, but it appears to have vanished...

The NSSRA seems to have it online, but it requires membership to access...
http://www.nssra.com/2001/nssra/inde...by%C2%A 0date


Right. I found that too, but I'm not a member.

Why is this vital safety information kept secret? One would think that
it would be in everyones interest to make this data public.

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Old December 3rd 03, 04:27 PM
Chester Bullock
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Walt wrote:

Chester Bullock wrote:

Walt wrote:



Anybody know where to find this year's [indemnification] list? It used to be available on
the web, but it appears to have vanished...


The NSSRA seems to have it online, but it requires membership to access...
http://www.nssra.com/2001/nssra/inde...by%C2%A 0date



Right. I found that too, but I'm not a member.

Why is this vital safety information kept secret? One would think that
it would be in everyones interest to make this data public.


I agree. I emailed the guy that owns the site and asked if he could
make it available. We'll see what he says. Maybe if more people email
him, he will be more inclined to make it available.

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Old December 3rd 03, 04:32 PM
Chester Bullock
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Chester Bullock wrote:

Walt wrote:

Chester Bullock wrote:

Walt wrote:




Anybody know where to find this year's [indemnification] list? It
used to be available on
the web, but it appears to have vanished...


The NSSRA seems to have it online, but it requires membership to
access...
http://www.nssra.com/2001/nssra/inde...by%C2%A 0date




Right. I found that too, but I'm not a member.
Why is this vital safety information kept secret? One would think that
it would be in everyones interest to make this data public.


I agree. I emailed the guy that owns the site and asked if he could
make it available. We'll see what he says. Maybe if more people email
him, he will be more inclined to make it available.


So I should have posted his address...



Alternately, maybe Seth can get it. I think he has connections...

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Old December 3rd 03, 04:54 PM
Schmoe
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"Walt" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:
"Terry Hill" wrote ...


Anyway, I bought a pair of
Solomon 637 bindings on eBay, and I want to install them myself, but

since
I have never done it before, I need a few tips.


This question comes up a lot. See http://tinyurl.com/xj79 for the
last installment. What was true a month ago is still true today.
Bottom line: pay a professional to do it for you.


Yep, that was me. I took the majority advice and found a shop who did it for
$30 rather then the $50 that most shops quoted. Done, looks fine, now time
to go skiing.


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Old December 3rd 03, 05:25 PM
lal_truckee
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Terry Hill wrote:

If anybody could help me out with this, I would appreciate it. I have an old
pair of downhill skis that I picked up recently that seemed pretty good, and
were the right size for me, but they had old bindings on them. I was thinking
that they would make a great second pair of skis for spring skiing or for use
on days when conditions are less than optimal. Anyway, I bought a pair of
Solomon 637 bindings on eBay, and I want to install them myself, but since I
have never done it before, I need a few tips. My plan is to put them on myself
and then take the skis in for a tune-up and binding adjustment. I understand
that you have to find the ski balance point with a straightedge, and I do have
the right mounting screws, as they came with the bindings, and I know that you
have to fill the screw holes with epoxy glue. What I don't know is where
exactly do I position the bindings for mounting? How do I know how far apart
to put the bindings? Do I just hold the bindings up against the boot, or what?
And do I balance the ski with the boot in place? Any tips would be greatly
appreciated


I'm sorry to say that most of what you "know" is wrong.

First, Salomon 637s are old; they don't appear on the 2002-2003 bindings
indemnification lists, so they certainly didn't reappear on the current
lists (the Salomon x57 series bindings are the oldest bindings Salomon
indemnified in 2002-3.)

Second, Alpine skis almost all have a boot toe mark on the ski; some
have a boot sole center mark on the ski. The boots have a mount point
molded into the sole. Up to you to know which type of mark. If no mark,
you find the mount mount by either the running surface method of the
cord method (look them up in a good ski mechanic's book.)

Third you use wood glue, not epoxy in the screw holes - it's only for
sealing against moisture, not for retention - you want to be able to
remove the screws eventually.

How far apart to mount toe/heel bindings depends on the range of binding
heel adjustment (usually center the heel in its track, unless you have
special requirements) and pre-load travel distance requirements. Then
you just center-line the bindings, drill (and tap, if there's a metal
top-skin on the ski,) without punching through the base, but deep enough
the screw doesn't dimple the base, lube with wood glue, and screw down
to torque specs. Mount the second ski identical to the first.

Then, of course, you adjust to boots for proper pre-load, set the
release to DIN standards, and fully test both release torque and
function, discarding the bindings if they fall out of spec bounds.

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Old December 4th 03, 05:13 AM
Seth Masia
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I have the indemnification list, but I won't make it public, either. Sorry.
The issue is that the lists are furnished to indemnified shops -- that is,
to ski shops who send their shoprats to be certified as having all their
wits (and fingers) intact. When your friendly neighborhood non-certified
"expert" has the list and claims he can do the job safely, it leads to
customers believing that the guy is backed by the manufacturer's warranty
and indemnification program, when in fact he's not. I don't wanna be a
party to that transaction.

Seth

"Chester Bullock" wrote in message
...
Chester Bullock wrote:

Walt wrote:

Chester Bullock wrote:

Walt wrote:



Anybody know where to find this year's [indemnification] list? It
used to be available on
the web, but it appears to have vanished...


The NSSRA seems to have it online, but it requires membership to
access...

http://www.nssra.com/2001/nssra/inde...by%C2%A 0date




Right. I found that too, but I'm not a member.
Why is this vital safety information kept secret? One would think that
it would be in everyones interest to make this data public.


I agree. I emailed the guy that owns the site and asked if he could
make it available. We'll see what he says. Maybe if more people email
him, he will be more inclined to make it available.


So I should have posted his address...



Alternately, maybe Seth can get it. I think he has connections...

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Tenxible Solutions,
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