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Skier etiquette
I've seen faster skiers pass with no warnings given, only to startle the
slower skiers who had no idea anybody was behind them. It can be a disastrous reaction. I do the same thing when I'm biking, just think it's common courtesy. BC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . |
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This is retarded. Do you honk each time you pass a car on the freeway?
Trails are usually more than wide enough to accompany two skiers (a fast one and yourself) without the faster one having to call out a warning each time. Not to sound like a complete asshole (it's hard, trust me), but if I'm skiing at a place like Royal Gorge I'd go hoarse by the end of the day calling out a warning each time I went past someone. I just give people a wide berth, go around (instead of yelling track and expecting them to move), and on occasion saying hello. Each sport has its own ettiquette. I don't know what the rules are in cycling (though the weekend Lance Armstrongs who regularly blow by me don't say anything and I don't care). I have a suggestion - since you are obviously a newbie, why don't you find out first what the sport's etiquette is before you start lecturing us about what it should be? I've been skiing over 30 years and occasionaly some clown (maybe once every couple of years) will holler at me for not warning him. The last time was some bearded-weirdo granola muncher, obviously from Berkeley, who chewed me out after slipping by his out-of-control body while going down a hill. I almost threw him into a snowbank. Ok, guys (GC, JFT, and the rest), let me have it. bt wrote: I've seen faster skiers pass with no warnings given, only to startle the slower skiers who had no idea anybody was behind them. It can be a disastrous reaction. I do the same thing when I'm biking, just think it's common courtesy. BC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . |
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You just made me bust out laughing sknyski.
Thanks. Gotta love it when people let down their political politeness and just give their thoughts. I wanted to tell the guy who asked about dogs on the trail to "keep your stupid dog at home and let him run in your back yard" but I didnt. Wish I had now. JK "sknyski" wrote in message oups.com... This is retarded. Do you honk each time you pass a car on the freeway? Trails are usually more than wide enough to accompany two skiers (a fast one and yourself) without the faster one having to call out a warning each time. Not to sound like a complete asshole (it's hard, trust me), but if I'm skiing at a place like Royal Gorge I'd go hoarse by the end of the day calling out a warning each time I went past someone. I just give people a wide berth, go around (instead of yelling track and expecting them to move), and on occasion saying hello. Each sport has its own ettiquette. I don't know what the rules are in cycling (though the weekend Lance Armstrongs who regularly blow by me don't say anything and I don't care). I have a suggestion - since you are obviously a newbie, why don't you find out first what the sport's etiquette is before you start lecturing us about what it should be? I've been skiing over 30 years and occasionaly some clown (maybe once every couple of years) will holler at me for not warning him. The last time was some bearded-weirdo granola muncher, obviously from Berkeley, who chewed me out after slipping by his out-of-control body while going down a hill. I almost threw him into a snowbank. Ok, guys (GC, JFT, and the rest), let me have it. bt wrote: I've seen faster skiers pass with no warnings given, only to startle the slower skiers who had no idea anybody was behind them. It can be a disastrous reaction. I do the same thing when I'm biking, just think it's common courtesy. BC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . |
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On 23 Jan 2005 07:53:59 -0800, "sknyski" wrote:
This is retarded. Do you honk each time you pass a car on the freeway? Exactly. Each sport has its own ettiquette. The downhill skiers have precedence in skiing is particular to skiing and makes sense. But the concept of "warning" someone in passing is universally retarded regardless of whether you're on a bike, in car, running, cycling, whatever. The only time a warning like that has value is if you are passing someone really close. But passing someone that close is obnoxious in a public space. If you are overtakign someone, it's your responsiblity to not buzz them. And if you're not buzzing them, the honking, hupping, tracking, on your lefting is retarded. Just say hello after you pass if you have to say anything. JFT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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At 10:42 23 01 05 Sunday, JFT wrote:
The downhill skiers have precedence in skiing is particular to skiing and makes sense. Doesn't make sense to me and not what I see commonly practiced. What makes sense to me is to give the right of way to the poor bloke climbing uphill. Why should he have to break his stride and rhythm during a hard part of his outing when it is so easy for the downhill skier to yield. If I am coming downhill in the tracks and someone is coming up in the tracks, I get out of the tracks, and I try to do it early enough so the climbing skier knows that I am yielding to him. If someone is skating uphill, I get in the tracks coming down, and again try to do it early so there is no question that I am yielding. Often for the skating case, I'll give an early "Hello" if the uphill skater is drifting over into the tracks with his head down. All of the above works smoothly with never a problem. Seems like the most sensible and most courteous way to do it to me. Ski Exuberantly, Hank Mammoth Lakes, Calif. |
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On 23 Jan 2005 11:26:39 -0800, (Hank Garretson) wrote:
At 10:42 23 01 05 Sunday, JFT wrote: The downhill skiers have precedence in skiing is particular to skiing and makes sense. Doesn't make sense to me and not what I see commonly practiced. What makes sense to me is to give the right of way to the poor bloke climbing uphill. Why should he have to break his stride and rhythm during a hard part of his outing when it is so easy for the downhill skier to yield. It's about safety, not conservation of effort. JFT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Well put Hank. This is what most of us here practice.
Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hank Garretson" To: "Multiple recipients of list NORDIC-SKI" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: Skier etiquette At 10:42 23 01 05 Sunday, JFT wrote: The downhill skiers have precedence in skiing is particular to skiing and makes sense. Doesn't make sense to me and not what I see commonly practiced. What makes sense to me is to give the right of way to the poor bloke climbing uphill. Why should he have to break his stride and rhythm during a hard part of his outing when it is so easy for the downhill skier to yield. If I am coming downhill in the tracks and someone is coming up in the tracks, I get out of the tracks, and I try to do it early enough so the climbing skier knows that I am yielding to him. If someone is skating uphill, I get in the tracks coming down, and again try to do it early so there is no question that I am yielding. Often for the skating case, I'll give an early "Hello" if the uphill skater is drifting over into the tracks with his head down. All of the above works smoothly with never a problem. Seems like the most sensible and most courteous way to do it to me. Ski Exuberantly, Hank Mammoth Lakes, Calif. |
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I think you should go back and think about what was actually said and
implied in the original post, rather than throwing off thoughtless comments. If the person in front is going to be startled, then the chances are the available (or whole) trail is not wide. Moreover, how does it serve popularizing the sport and building a friendly atmosphere to go around startling people? The same applies on a bicycle, where it's also a matter of safety (somebody veering out into the way of the passer out of careless, care-freeness or to avoid an obstacle the passing cyclist can't see). And then, there's the matter of cyclists passing rollerskiers -- don't get me started. I agree 100% with the OP. Gene sknyski wrote: This is retarded. Do you honk each time you pass a car on the freeway? Trails are usually more than wide enough to accompany two skiers (a fast one and yourself) without the faster one having to call out a warning each time. Not to sound like a complete asshole (it's hard, trust me), but if I'm skiing at a place like Royal Gorge I'd go hoarse by the end of the day calling out a warning each time I went past someone. I just give people a wide berth, go around (instead of yelling track and expecting them to move), and on occasion saying hello. Each sport has its own ettiquette. I don't know what the rules are in cycling (though the weekend Lance Armstrongs who regularly blow by me don't say anything and I don't care). I have a suggestion - since you are obviously a newbie, why don't you find out first what the sport's etiquette is before you start lecturing us about what it should be? I've been skiing over 30 years and occasionaly some clown (maybe once every couple of years) will holler at me for not warning him. The last time was some bearded-weirdo granola muncher, obviously from Berkeley, who chewed me out after slipping by his out-of-control body while going down a hill. I almost threw him into a snowbank. Ok, guys (GC, JFT, and the rest), let me have it. bt wrote: I've seen faster skiers pass with no warnings given, only to startle the slower skiers who had no idea anybody was behind them. It can be a disastrous reaction. I do the same thing when I'm biking, just think it's common courtesy. BC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . |
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32 degrees wrote:
You just made me bust out laughing sknyski. Thanks. Gotta love it when people let down their political politeness and just give their thoughts. There's no need to become PC about this at all, the (unwritten) rules are pretty obvious: When in a race, do whatever you like (I won't be competing against you anyway, right?) When out skiing in Nordmarka or anywhere else with set tracks the only rules I teach my kids are these: The person overtaking is always responsible. This means waiting politely behind until you can pass safely. When meeting another skier, keep to the right. When meeting on a narrow (single-track) trail, the person coming downhill will usually have right-of-way, or rather: The person coming up-hill can more easily step sideways out of the tracks. Is there anywhere in the world where you don't do it like this? Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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