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K2 Chinch Binding
Hey,
does anybody know the new K2 Binding called "Cinch"? It combines the dropable Highback (like Flows) with a normal Ratched Straps! Is this the end of the philosophic "war" between straps and flows? It costs about 239 Euro (considering the change rate should be about $300) So if there is anybody with first hand experience with this binding, let me know! Later, Saim -- ----------------------- Definition des Begriffes Verwendung des europäischen Patentamtes: "Das Verwenden eines bekannten Materials aufgrund seiner bekannten Eigenschaften und in an sich bekannter Weise, um eine bekannte Aufgabe zu lösen, ist NICHT erfinderisch." |
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"Saim Kim" wrote in message ...
Hey, does anybody know the new K2 Binding called "Cinch"? It combines the dropable Highback (like Flows) with a normal Ratched Straps! Is this the end of the philosophic "war" between straps and flows? It costs about 239 Euro (considering the change rate should be about $300) So if there is anybody with first hand experience with this binding, let me know! Later, Saim Looks like strap version of the FLOWS as you mentioned, but I couldn't find animation or progression showing how it would work. I don't recall there ever being a "philosophic war" between straps and flows as the flow cuff was always micro-adjustable. For me, it was the difficulty in being able to get a lot of forward lean that was the problem. I would have been interested "Forward Lean Adjustment" mechanism, BUT that links leads to a non-existent page... in fact all the boot and binding tech links do that at the moment. So I go to the support page to report the problem... DOH the website designed screwed up the ASP form pages as well for ALL contact options, so no one can send the K2 Snowboard division emails. I ended up sending the email via the K2 corporate site... but that's just poor form. I designed a website using COM+ objects and ASP when I was an intern in college and they are that hard to do... more importantly regardless of the difficult, getting someone to test it at least once to make sure it works is kind of important. I am unimpressed. --Arvin |
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True about the website! I checked to find all ansers BUT, nope can`t do!
Well, I found a German website with a nice Videoclip from this years Winter ISPO in Munich (Sports fair). You can check it he http://www.snowboardmagazin.de/bilde...O/K2/video.mpg Besides here are some good pictures (you have to scroll down, though): http://www.snowboardmagazin.de/threa...ser=0&pag e=1 Now tell me, what you think about it now. I`m about to get me some of these! Later, Saim -- ----------------------- Definition des Begriffes Verwendung des europäischen Patentamtes: "Das Verwenden eines bekannten Materials aufgrund seiner bekannten Eigenschaften und in an sich bekannter Weise, um eine bekannte Aufgabe zu lösen, ist NICHT erfinderisch." |
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Saim Kim wrote:
Now tell me, what you think about it now. I`m about to get me some of these! There's no way to know from the video or web site how the mechanism that raises the strap will perform in the field or over time. How much abuse can it take and not break? Is the mechanism metal or plastic? The highback doesn't appear to lay down very far. I've been on chairs that nearly crushed the rear binding because the chair was too close to the platform/snow/ice. But it looks interesting. Also, the K2 snowboard web site has been fixed (as of 11/18/04 at 6:30 AM CT). Dean |
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D wrote:
Also, the K2 snowboard web site has been fixed (as of 11/18/04 at 6:30 AM CT). The dealer locator reports two dealers in my area that I know carry some higher end equipment. If either has the Cinch in stock I'm going to examine it tonight. Dean |
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Is that really a problem? I mean I understand how the binding could be
crushed if the chair was to close to the snow, but does it happen that often? Burton highbacks lock into place, and I don't recall anyone unlocking them to get on the lift, so that could be a problem for a lot of bindings if the clearance is that low. I always assumed it was the resort's job to clear the snow away to prevent this - not an insignificant task in areas that get heavy snowfall I'm sure. Anyone else have experience on this? Also, maybe it's my local area cache that hasn't updated but the website still points to http://www.k2snowboards.com/bindings/tech.asp and I still get an error for me at 11/18/04 12:00PM PST. It's not that important for this particular issue since I think the video is probably better than anything you will get on the website... they should demo them to people for free (cc# as deposit)... if they really are that convenient people will try them out and really like them. --Arvin |
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I held the binding in a store. When released, the highback tilts back at
about a 45 degree angle and will not lay flat. The Flow highback will lay down completely. My opinion based on my limited experience with bindings (one set of strap bindings and two Flow models): If I was buying bindings I'd give them a hard look and would buy them over the cheaper Flows. I'd need to try them to pick them over the upper end Flows. Also, I've been on one chair that came so close to the platform that the Cinch's highback would have been damaged if it was under the chair. Dean |
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lonerider wrote: Is that really a problem? I mean I understand how the binding could be crushed if the chair was to close to the snow, but does it happen that often? Burton highbacks lock into place, and I don't recall anyone unlocking them to get on the lift, so that could be a problem for a lot of bindings if the clearance is that low. I always assumed it was the resort's job to clear the snow away to prevent this - not an insignificant task in areas that get heavy snowfall I'm sure. Anyone else have experience on this? Hello Arvin, My son was constantly unbuckling his Burton flad at the lift. If he did not, yes the highback would get jammed under the chair. Because of this constant unbuckling and buckling of the flad, it loosened up and eventually came loose during a run. Burton's excellent service center replaced the lost item, but I still question the design. Chris |
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Christopher Cox wrote:
My son was constantly unbuckling his Burton flad at the lift. If he did not, yes the highback would get jammed under the chair. I've lost 2 highbacks to chair crunching: a Drake F60 and a Burton P1MD. The F60 doesn't even have lock down. I wasn't sure why it had bust and went into Mt Baker Snowboard Shop for replacement. "That'll be chair 6", they said. Fortunately they keep the biggest bucket of spares I've seen Iain |
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Saim Kim wrote:
True about the website! I checked to find all ansers BUT, nope can`t do! Well, I found a German website with a nice Videoclip from this years Winter ISPO in Munich (Sports fair). You can check it he http://www.snowboardmagazin.de/bilde...O/K2/video.mpg Besides here are some good pictures (you have to scroll down, though): http://www.snowboardmagazin.de/threa...ser=0&pag e=1 Now tell me, what you think about it now. I`m about to get me some of these! These may be convenient in-bounds but they can be a real liability back-country for 3 reasons: 1) They'll be very difficult to put on on a steep slope because the high back lays back. Sometimes the the only place to put your board on is confined, steep and icey: you can't walk further because of the risk of slipping. You want to be putting the board on whilst sitting on the slope with the board below you and heelside edge engaged in the snow. These binding won't let you do that. Trying to put the board on toeside in these condtions is scarey/impossible 2) One of my riding buddies had Flows and lost it on a shear ice couloir. His rear binding then released so he was tumbling with board only attached to his front foot. The guide had his phone out before he stopped moving to call a helicopter, convinced that he would have broken his leg - amazingly he was ok! 3) They've got to be more prone to jamming and breaking - I like simple and bombproof. They look very slick and may work well for many people - I just want to point out there are some drawbacks Iain |
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