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  #31  
Old October 25th 03, 10:59 AM
PG
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"David Mahon" wrote in message
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In article , PG
writes

A new group would be a waste of space imo. Who administrates rsre? All it
needs is a less specific name, and you have a snowsports forum for

Europeans
and those interested in visiting Europe, and which is bound to have

mainly
UK contributors. So what's the difference, and more importantly, what's

the
point?


Why are you so arrogant as to say that RSRE, "a snowsports forum for
Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe" is "bound to have
mainly UK contributors"?


It's called observation and logic actually. Take a look at the forum
archives. An English language forum tends to attract English speakers, and
as other ski forums cater for those Anglophones that ski outside Europe...
do I really need to explain more?

Are there more skiers in the UK than in the rest of Europe?
Are we even in the top 5 skiing nations in Europe? [1]
Are we a "big name" in skiing?

Or are the rest of Europe usenet and computer illiterate?


[1] number of skier days per year


Irrelevant, on the whole, to the point being made.

Pete



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  #32  
Old October 25th 03, 11:08 AM
PG
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Default RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing


"David Mahon" wrote in message
...
In article , PG
writes

A new group would be a waste of space imo. Who administrates rsre? All it
needs is a less specific name, and you have a snowsports forum for

Europeans
and those interested in visiting Europe, and which is bound to have

mainly
UK contributors. So what's the difference, and more importantly, what's

the
point?


Why are you so arrogant as to say that RSRE, "a snowsports forum for
Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe" is "bound to have
mainly UK contributors"?

Are there more skiers in the UK than in the rest of Europe?
Are we even in the top 5 skiing nations in Europe? [1]
Are we a "big name" in skiing?

Or are the rest of Europe usenet and computer illiterate?
David Mahon


David Mahon's response above illustrates my point in the post he was
responding to; the instigator of this thread just wishes to promote his
idea, and has no interest in the negative feedback. Here he snips most of
the points I made, fails to make any attempt at some kind of intelligent
answer, then takes one comment out of context in order to launch an Ad
Hominem. This from the guy who originally asked us for his views? The
snipped part of the original post below:

From the comments made, seems to me that this thread is more to publicise
the new ng than to obtain opinions. More of a fait accompli for the original
poster than a genuine attempt to discover what would be the best option. He
makes the point that uk. groups can be posted to, and read from anywhere.
Precisely - as can rsre. Our current forum has probably a majority of
UK-based contributors who post on a great range of subjects from the
technical to the humorous, but hardly ever off-topic. A resident group of
*experts*, some based in Europe, who contribute regularly. Rarely is a
(sensible) enquiry left unanswered. Overall this forum is one of the best
unmoderated ngs I have come across, although it could do with more traffic
at times.

Pete


  #33  
Old October 25th 03, 12:58 PM
Ian Spare
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:50:14 +0100, David Mahon
wrote:

In article , PG
writes

Why are you so arrogant as to say that RSRE, "a snowsports forum for
Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe" is "bound to have
mainly UK contributors"?


It's called observation and logic actually. Take a look at the forum


"bound to have" suggests it is not based upon observation at all and
indeed is the kind of statement that would be made before such a group
were even set up. Try again.

archives. An English language forum tends to attract English speakers, and
as other ski forums cater for those Anglophones that ski outside Europe...
do I really need to explain more?


Ah. Yes, you do. It's not an English language forum. Read the charter.


If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to
know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since
the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather
begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its
own group.

--
Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and
you have to go through all your code fixing it.
-- Paul Tomblin
  #34  
Old October 25th 03, 01:11 PM
Paul Giverin
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In message , Ian Spare
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If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to
know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since
the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather
begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its
own group.

I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is
independent of any other Usenet hierarchy.

If users of the uk.* hierarchy feel they want a skiing newsgroup within
that hierarchy then they can have one if they satisfy the requirements
of the hierarchy rules. The existence of skiing newsgroups elsewhere in
Usenet is largely irrelevant to the current proposal.

--
Paul Giverin

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http://www.britjet.co.uk
  #35  
Old October 25th 03, 01:51 PM
PG
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"David Mahon" wrote in message
...
In article , PG
writes

Why are you so arrogant as to say that RSRE, "a snowsports forum for
Europeans and those interested in visiting Europe" is "bound to have
mainly UK contributors"?


It's called observation and logic actually. Take a look at the forum


"bound to have" suggests it is not based upon observation at all and
indeed is the kind of statement that would be made before such a group
were even set up. Try again.


Fact: posting history backs this up, read the archives. Fact: The only
non-English postings tend to be accidental. Fact: Most people prefer to post
to forums where the language is one in which they are fluent. Fact: Non-UK
Anglophones in the skiing fraternity are mainly North American-based, and
tend to post to rsa or rsrna. Conclusion?


archives. An English language forum tends to attract English speakers,

and
as other ski forums cater for those Anglophones that ski outside

Europe...
do I really need to explain more?


Ah. Yes, you do. It's not an English language forum. Read the charter.


As others have patiently mentioned, the vast majority of postings to this ng
are, always have been, and likely will remain, in English. Split as many
hairs as you like, but that's the way it is.

Pete


  #36  
Old October 25th 03, 01:54 PM
PG
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"David Mahon" wrote in message
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In article , PG
writes


..../...


And I do have every interest in negative feedback. The negative feedback
will be weighed up against the positive feedback when I decide whether
or not to publish a revised RFD or to ask for a formal vote.


Glad to hear it.
Pete


  #37  
Old October 25th 03, 02:08 PM
Ian Spare
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:11:30 +0100, Paul Giverin
wrote:

In message , Ian Spare
writes
If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to
know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since
the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather
begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its
own group.

I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is
independent of any other Usenet hierarchy.


What's the plan then, replicate every newsgroup in the rec hierarchy
to the UK?



--
Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and
you have to go through all your code fixing it.
-- Paul Tomblin
  #38  
Old October 25th 03, 02:29 PM
Tony Evans
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Default RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing

Ian Spare wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:11:30 +0100, Paul Giverin
wrote:


In message , Ian Spare
writes


If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to
know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since
the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it rather
begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK needs its
own group.


I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is
independent of any other Usenet hierarchy.


What's the plan then, replicate every newsgroup in the rec hierarchy
to the UK?


No, the 'plan' is to run a well managed hierarchy, allowing the users of
that hierarchy to create groups if they meet the requirements. The
requirements do not specify if the existence of groups in other
hierarchies should or should not play any role in their creation in the
uk.* hierarchy. If you wish there to be a requirement, then you can
easily follow the established process and RFD for it, that would allow
you to measure the support for your requirement. Also, you could just
vote no every time it's the case and see if that has any effect.

--
Tony Evans (ICQ : 170850)
Recommended Author : David Gemmell
A hangover: the wrath of grapes.
Homepage : http://www.darkstorm.org/tony

  #39  
Old October 25th 03, 03:14 PM
Dr Zoidberg
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Default RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing

Ian Spare wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:11:30 +0100, Paul Giverin
wrote:

In message , Ian Spare
writes
If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to
know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since
the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it
rather begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK
needs its own group.

I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is
independent of any other Usenet hierarchy.


What's the plan then, replicate every newsgroup in the rec hierarchy
to the UK?


Obviously not , but if sufficient people want a uk... group to cover a
particular subject and are prepared to say so then the idea shouldn't be
ruled out automatically just because a non uk group covers a similar topic.
--
Alex

"We are now up against live, hostile targets"

"So, if Little Red Riding Hood should show up with a bazooka and a bad
attitude, I expect you to chin the bitch! "

www.drzoidberg.co.uk


  #40  
Old October 25th 03, 03:19 PM
John Briggs
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Ian Spare wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:11:30 +0100, Paul Giverin
wrote:

In message , Ian Spare
writes
If you had any interest at all you'd be familiar enough with RSRE to
know that there's only one or two non-English posting per year since
the groups foundation. Since you clearly don't read it then it
rather begs the question how you've reached the conclusion the UK
needs its own group.

I don't think it begs the question at all. The uk.* hierarchy is
independent of any other Usenet hierarchy.


What's the plan then, replicate every newsgroup in the rec hierarchy
to the UK?


Obviously not , but if sufficient people want a uk... group to cover a
particular subject and are prepared to say so then the idea shouldn't be
ruled out automatically just because a non uk group covers a similar
topic.


I would go further: if sufficient people want a uk.* group to cover a
particular subject and are prepared to say so, then the fact a non-uk.*
group covers a similar topic is of no relevance.
--
John Briggs


 




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