required clothing

Sven Golly wrote:
BrritSki wrote in news:408l4hF18n9r9U1
@individual.net:


Goodness, does this mean that f2f's full of **** ?


Well, to be fair,

Fair ? On RSA ?

Actually, my question was rhetorical. I already know the answer and find
it hilarious that (s)he accuses others of having a closed mind and
believing that only (s)he knows the answers.

Sven Golly wrote:
[snip]
http://fray.slate.com/id/2085417

Good article, Sven, thanks for posting it.

"Sven Golly" wrote in message
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"foot2foot" wrote in
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//MEGA SNIP OF DRIVEL//


I'm looking right at the white gore texish layer in between the shell
and the mesh liner. Few years old Columbia. Looks just like the same

Cool. You can tell what the WPB layer is made of by looking at it.

I don't necessarily care what it's made of. I'm saying that the visible
middle layer is a way that can help to tell more about clothing than if you
didn't know about it.


I'm in
awe. It's good you're using Columbia as an example too.

You are the one that brought Columbia in.

That will always
impress those that really know technical fabrics and construction.

I'm not out to impress anyone.

I'm trying to help the poster with his question in a simple, practical,
hopefully useful way. You want to go on with all this stuff you
have for whatever reason, but you haven't given any useful advice
to the poster. None that I saw anyway. You've given him nothing he
can use. Propaganda from a manufacturer, and some guy that tried four
coats and has his own opinion. There're a lot of good brands of jacket
you know.

I personally disagree with this guy. There's a world of difference between
a gore tex coat, and a rubber coat, and a nylon coat with no membrane.

This guy says that the gore tex does nothing. I know this is not the case.
My own experience tells me. These membranes make a huge difference.

He quotes some other guy that says gore tex is in the middle. This is not
consumer reports you quoted. Yea, you'd think he'd probably know
something given the refs, but where is the data? Is the fellow even quoted
correctly?

I'm *still* going to suggest to the poster that he look for clothing with an
obvious, evident middle layer of water proof breathable whatever you may
call it, I and the people that make them call them membranes, (did you
notice your own source called gore tex a membrane?) everyone I've ever
seen is white. I've had good luck with gore tex, helly tech, hydro vent, and
I do have an old Columbia I recall as being not all that bad.

If it's nothing but a plain nylon shell and lining with maybe some spray
coating, but no middle layer, it's not enough.

But, as some people above actually did manage to contribute, if the
conditions are such that your clothes aren't getting soaked or wet,
such clothing could be more disadvantage than help, but so what?
So, you just wear your sweater or fleece or something We're talking
Vail or Aspen, not antarctica or Everest. What you're going on about,
Sven, *doesn't matter* for this poster.

You might want to look up Columbia's own fabric descriptions sometime.
See if they volunteer any info other than marketing. And that white
looking layer? Could be anything from spray polyurethane to bonded film.
Maybe it's your left over deodorant.

I don't care. It *doesn't matter* for this poster. He wanted some simple,
useful advice. You're just rambling.

To be quite honest, if I wanted down to earth, simple
useful, sensible advice on the best bargain on ski/winter
clothing, I'm not sure I'd want to talk to you, you seem
to be a little too close to the sales aspect of the industry

Har. And here I thought you were nothing more than a Columbia shill.

http://fray.slate.com/id/2085417

Good luck Foot. This thread's over for me. You've managed to take tedium
to a whole new level.

You were the source of this whole thing. I talked about membranes vs.
coatings, and you piped in "I think you mean laminate I think you mean
laminate."

Well, I didn't.

Then you proceeded to prove that there *is* no standard terminology in
the industry and even said so yourself.

Then you duck out of the thread with an "I'm so superior" remark.

You did I guess, manage to prove that there *may* be some fairly new
"coatings", that *could* be as good as what have been called over the
years "membranes" *by the people who make the clothes*.

To me, someone that says there's no difference between gore tex and
a rubber coat, or the same and plain nylon, well, that's just ridiculous.
There's plenty of difference.

Good luck to you Sven.

foot2foot wrote:

"Sven Golly" wrote in message
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[snip]
That will always

impress those that really know technical fabrics and construction.


I'm not out to impress anyone.

I'm trying to help the poster with his question in a simple, practical,
hopefully useful way.

I could be totally wrong, but I'm willing to bet OP bailed a long time ago.

You want to go on with all this stuff you
have for whatever reason, but you haven't given any useful advice
to the poster. None that I saw anyway.

Well, foot, honestly, you're not given to seeing the usefulness of
anyone else's advice, unless what they're advising is, "Listen to
foot2foot and do everything he says." If you truly want to help people,
this is not a helpful reaction.

"BrritSki" wrote in message
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Sven Golly wrote:

Snip informed comment

Goodness, does this mean that f2f's full of **** ?

still.

"Sven Golly" wrote in message

Har. And here I thought you were nothing more than a Columbia shill.

http://fray.slate.com/id/2085417

Good luck Foot. This thread's over for me. You've managed to take tedium
to a whole new level.

Again.
two left feet has the EGO effect down pat.

"foot2foot" wrote in message

I'm not out to impress anyone.


Sure you are.


I'm trying to help the poster with his question in a simple, practical,
hopefully useful way.

If that were the case you would learn how to get to the point in less then
a thousand words.
My bad.
you don't get to THE point.
you always get distracted while trying to impress.