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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On 23 Jul 2006 23:49:31 -0700, wrote: He was also allegedly doing 50 hours a week training. For road racing or for his mountain biking. he did at least one 24-hour mountain bike race, and training for that then surely he'd do a few really big weeks. But tales like "training up to 50 ours a week" don't mean he was doing that regularly or that it helped his road racing. In the article it says he was doing several months of 50 hour weeks when he was unemployed and didn't have anything else to do. It was then that he entered some road races and started punishing people. Wether it was more effective than 25 per week is a different story. Joseph |
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How much can one increase your V02 max simply by training? Certainly we all have a physiological limit ... I think the focus top level athletes' VO2max makes us think it is imperative in order to do well. We never hear what the VO2max of the other guys is. Guys like Landis may have a VO2max of 90, but what about second/third tier guys like Mengin, or Geslin? If you look at the ITT they (perhaps taking it a bit easy) only output about 75% of the power Landis and those guys put out. These guys may not win, but they are most certainly elite top level athletes. I'm sure their VO2max is someting much more human and attainable than Floyd's! Joseph |
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"I have no doubt I could ride 50 hours a week for lots and lots of weeks in
a row if I were being paid enough..." Two of my friends are Pro cyclists. One of them got on the HealthNet Pro Cycling Team, which I believe is one of the top-tier, well funded pro teams in the U.S. Landis and a couple others probably make big money. My friend the Pro on HealthNet seems to make a meager amount of money to live on. He drives a very old vehicle that is always breaking. Shares an apartment with several other riders. Many times sleeps on the floor on a mat if people offer a place to stay. Sleeps in his car. The other Pro on a smaller team lives the same, makes even less money and has to work part time. He was hit by a van last year. Lying on the road with a broken pelvis and dying. When the authorities showed up and started call for a helicopter to evacuate him, he asked for a cheaper option. No health insurance. Paul Haltvick Bay Design and Build - LLC Engineering, Construction and Information Technology Services FSx - Fischer / Swix Racing Ashland, WI. |
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Earlier in the year we were discussing how to count training hours.
One idea was to divide your biking hours by 2. Under this method Landis's 50 hour weeks sound very similar to the 25 hour weeks that elite skiers are known to train. Make me wonder... what his heart rate was during those 50 hours is there is a calculated load that an athlete can handle per week eg, 15,000 kcals/wk during training, a certain volume of lactic acid created by the body... Byrnes-out wrote: he rides for living - doesn't he? 40 hrs a week is what a 9-5 job gives you. If we use the 40 hr analogy (40 is close to 50), if you ride 6 days a week, you can ride 3 hrs in the morning, eat, sleep, ride 4 hrs in the afternoon. I could handle that (I'd bored out of my skull though). |
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WasGitchi wrote: Earlier in the year we were discussing how to count training hours. One idea was to divide your biking hours by 2. Under this method Landis's 50 hour weeks sound very similar to the 25 hour weeks that elite skiers are known to train. Make me wonder... what his heart rate was during those 50 hours is there is a calculated load that an athlete can handle per week eg, 15,000 kcals/wk during training, a certain volume of lactic acid created by the body... I recall seeing a graph once showing I beleive power output over time, with points plotted in like Edy Merckx's hour record, Pete Penseyres Race Across America record etc. I'll try to find it. What one can endure is quite a bit more than what is probably wise, or beneficial. Take the RAAM for instance. About 20-21 hours on bike per day for 9 days. Joseph Byrnes-out wrote: he rides for living - doesn't he? 40 hrs a week is what a 9-5 job gives you. If we use the 40 hr analogy (40 is close to 50), if you ride 6 days a week, you can ride 3 hrs in the morning, eat, sleep, ride 4 hrs in the afternoon. I could handle that (I'd bored out of my skull though). |
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I think the volume of such trianing hours comes from hands-on-tops
125-140bpm efforts. A pro roadie will still do well over 20mph in that zone, but it will be easy cruising. A class roadie I know (vets champ, medical world champ) has no problem logging multiple hours at an exciting 15-16mph. While at 130bpm (150W) I could easily do 10 hours (1.5kWh)of pedaling a day (not every day please), doing 5 of them at 300W would wear me out. Actually, I'd manage 2 maximum, I feeling good. 250W is more sustainable, but for 6 hours every day...please no! That's like being in the leading group of a TdF stage all day long! "WasGitchi" schreef in bericht oups.com... Earlier in the year we were discussing how to count training hours. One idea was to divide your biking hours by 2. Under this method Landis's 50 hour weeks sound very similar to the 25 hour weeks that elite skiers are known to train. Make me wonder... what his heart rate was during those 50 hours is there is a calculated load that an athlete can handle per week eg, 15,000 kcals/wk during training, a certain volume of lactic acid created by the body... Byrnes-out wrote: he rides for living - doesn't he? 40 hrs a week is what a 9-5 job gives you. If we use the 40 hr analogy (40 is close to 50), if you ride 6 days a week, you can ride 3 hrs in the morning, eat, sleep, ride 4 hrs in the afternoon. I could handle that (I'd bored out of my skull though). |
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Besides ski racing, I've raced triathlons since 1986 and have watched the
pros over those years. It seems like some of them lose common sense when it comes to how much training to do, especially the ones doing Ironman races. I read stories of weekly totals of 15 miles swimming, 450+ on the bike and another 60+ running. Some of them really toasted their bodies and have medical problems. A few were able to come back after a couple years off, but didn't seem at quite the same level. Scott Tinley and Peter Reid come to mind. Many people think if they just had the time available, they could put in massive hours training. I know when I've tried to hit 20-25 hours and get close, I can't get my heart rate up anymore. Paul Haltvick Bay Design and Build - LLC Engineering, Construction and Information Technology Services FSx - Fischer / Swix Racing Ashland, WI. "WasGitchi" wrote in message oups.com... Earlier in the year we were discussing how to count training hours. One idea was to divide your biking hours by 2. Under this method Landis's 50 hour weeks sound very similar to the 25 hour weeks that elite skiers are known to train. Make me wonder... what his heart rate was during those 50 hours is there is a calculated load that an athlete can handle per week eg, 15,000 kcals/wk during training, a certain volume of lactic acid created by the body... Byrnes-out wrote: he rides for living - doesn't he? 40 hrs a week is what a 9-5 job gives you. If we use the 40 hr analogy (40 is close to 50), if you ride 6 days a week, you can ride 3 hrs in the morning, eat, sleep, ride 4 hrs in the afternoon. I could handle that (I'd bored out of my skull though). |
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Norski wrote: Besides ski racing, I've raced triathlons since 1986 and have watched the pros over those years. It seems like some of them lose common sense when it comes to how much training to do, especially the ones doing Ironman races. I read stories of weekly totals of 15 miles swimming, 450+ on the bike and another 60+ running. Some of them really toasted their bodies and have medical problems. A few were able to come back after a couple years off, but didn't seem at quite the same level. Scott Tinley and Peter Reid come to mind. my rule of thumb is biking hours = running hrs x 2=rollerskiing hrs x 1.5. Probably, measuring the amount of heartbeats would be appropriate for the training load but you probably have to take the derivative? B/c an exercise at 150 bpm (biking) is 2x as easy (guesstimate) as an exercise at 170 bpm ( running), but the 2 numbers are only 10-20% different. |
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When MTB racing didn't work out, he switched and started riding 10
hours a day. He did it for two months and then he "cracked" as he puts it. The effot wasn't that great either. 14-15 mph. Here's an article: http://www.pedalmag.com/index.php?mo...item_id =4675 WasGitchi wrote: Earlier in the year we were discussing how to count training hours. One idea was to divide your biking hours by 2. Under this method Landis's 50 hour weeks sound very similar to the 25 hour weeks that elite skiers are known to train. Make me wonder... what his heart rate was during those 50 hours is there is a calculated load that an athlete can handle per week eg, 15,000 kcals/wk during training, a certain volume of lactic acid created by the body... Byrnes-out wrote: he rides for living - doesn't he? 40 hrs a week is what a 9-5 job gives you. If we use the 40 hr analogy (40 is close to 50), if you ride 6 days a week, you can ride 3 hrs in the morning, eat, sleep, ride 4 hrs in the afternoon. I could handle that (I'd bored out of my skull though). |
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I wonder how many people could train 50-hour weeks at any
intensity without developing some kind of muscular or skeletal problems after a few months. Not many I think, though maybe it's just an old man talking here. There seem to be quite a few who attempt, and give up for the reason above, even fairly leisurely cross-continent bike trips. Skiing is worse because of weight-bearing, so I'm quite amazed at this guy Alex Nilsson, who crossed Canada (quite a bit farther than U.S.) last summer on rollerskis, averaging about 65 km/day for 95 days, at the age of approximately 70! http://www.fitstep.com/ski-site/index.html Best, Peter Jan Gerrit Klok wrote: ....... While at 130bpm (150W) I could easily do 10 hours (1.5kWh)of pedaling a day (not every day please), doing 5 of them at 300W would wear me out. Actually, I'd manage 2 maximum, I feeling good. 250W is more sustainable, but for 6 hours every day...please no! That's like being in the leading group of a TdF stage all day long! "WasGitchi" Make me wonder... what his heart rate was during those 50 hour |
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