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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
Does anybody know if there's a way to tell if wax is high fluoro or
not? I wonder because I purchased some HF Toko wax on E-Bay and now I'm wondering what would stop someone from putting in regular Hydrocarbon wax and passing it off as HF. Also, it seems likely that sometimes one could separate a wax from it's labeled container, so I was wondering if there are any characteristics -- smell, granularity, weight, etc. that might indicate a wax's fluoro content. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
Short of a chemical analysis, wax two skis, one with the eBay purchase,
the other with a store bought version and go ski. My experience on eBay is that switching is not likely, since it's just too much trouble all around. Fraud there is more likely in just not receiving your order. wrote: Does anybody know if there's a way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not? I wonder because I purchased some HF Toko wax on E-Bay and now I'm wondering what would stop someone from putting in regular Hydrocarbon wax and passing it off as HF. Also, it seems likely that sometimes one could separate a wax from it's labeled container, so I was wondering if there are any characteristics -- smell, granularity, weight, etc. that might indicate a wax's fluoro content. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 14, 4:45*pm, wrote:
Short of a chemical analysis, wax two skis, one with the eBay purchase, the other with a store bought version and go ski. *My experience on eBay is that switching is not likely, since it's just too much trouble all around. Fraud there is more likely in just not receiving your order. When you melt the Swix LF waxes they smell different than hydrocarbon waxes. I haven't noticed the same thing with Toko HF waxes. I would think a drop of water would bead up more on an HF waxed ski, but I don't know if it's easy to actually see. An HF wax is usually softer (fingernail test) than hydrocarbon wax. Jay |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 14, 7:08*pm, Jay W wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:45*pm, wrote: Short of a chemical analysis, wax two skis, one with the eBay purchase, the other with a store bought version and go ski. *My experience on eBay is that switching is not likely, since it's just too much trouble all around. Fraud there is more likely in just not receiving your order. When you melt the Swix LF waxes they smell different than hydrocarbon waxes. I haven't noticed the same thing with Toko HF waxes. I would think a drop of water would bead up more on an HF waxed ski, but I don't know if it's easy to actually see. An HF wax is usually softer (fingernail test) than hydrocarbon wax. Jay Thank you very much for your reply. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
What about the sparkles effect when ironing a fluoro wax? I have some
HF FastWax that occasionally irridesces. That makes me wonder---is that the fluoro component? Is that IT? (Not much...) I thought that was the cool thing about ironing the pure fluoro. (Haven't hardly used it.) ----JP |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
When you melt a high fluro wax into your ski base, it acts differently
as a liquid compared to a carbon wax. The fluro has an unusual stringy texture, while a carbon looks more homogenous as a liquid. I am not explaining it well, but you will recognize it whe you see it. |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 14, 4:57*pm, wrote:
Does anybody know if there's a way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not? I'm wondering what would stop someone from putting in regular Hydrocarbon wax and passing it off as HF. I'd guess the simplest way to check would be to notice whether the wax was "strapped" to the cardboard hanger w/ the plastic strip that Toko uses. Toko uses that plastic case and the cardboard is attached to the case; the strip goes around both pieces. it If the plastic strip was still intact, I would believe that it was what it says it is. I have seen some Toko wax (the 100 gram bars) packed in a ziploc bag, which simply has a stick-on label - I guess you take that purchase on faith or buy from your local, reputable shop! - Bob |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
On Feb 16, 2:25 am, highpeaksnordic wrote:
I have seen some Toko wax (the 100 gram bars) packed in a ziploc bag, which simply has a stick-on label - I guess you take that purchase on faith or buy from your local, reputable shop! Few years ago, when I was still in xc skiing, these waxes was for racing service. Toko never had fancy boxes for racing service waxes, but they also never had racing service waxes sold in normal stores. For Swix it was different, and racing service waxes were normally same as waxes sold in stores. But it's been a while, since I was wax technician in World cup, so things could be different now As for original poster goes. Back at my days, HF waxes had different smell (even when not melted) then LF or non fluoro waxes. And smell was so much different, you could easily tell which one is which. And on top of that, LF waxes were more colorful (brighter color) then HF waxes. But they never sparkled as pure fluoro waxes did when melted. But once again, things can be different today Take care, Primoz http://www.photo.si |
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Any way to tell if wax is high fluoro or not?
Burning a fluoro wax should release CO2, H20, and pure F2 which has a
distinct smell (and is very toxic, too). Burning a hydrocarbon wax would release only C02 and H20. Theoretically, one can burn a piece of a known HC wax, and a piece of a known HF wax, and see the difference in the smell. Then, burn the uknown wax and see if it smells like the HF. Practically, this is not recommended because of the toxicity of F2. |
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