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Am Donnerstag, den 09.11.2006, 00:37 +0000 schrieb Ken Roberts:
They're way better than my leather Asolo Snowfield boots with a 3-pin binding. But since the Scarpa F1 has only two buckles, I haven't found it offers the level of control of a three-buckle. So I just find my 3-buckle more fun -- and after all that's really why I'm out touring. Don't compare apples to potatoes. Me, i mostly use a Stöckli Stormrider (90 in the middle), 3-pin, and Scarpa T2X. And that gives pretty much control. But what's better??? Teletouring and fixed heel touring are different, that's it. Not that one is better than the other. And one likes it that way, the other those way. For me tlmk is better because it safed my knees. For you it might be boring ... Is that a problem? Cheers, Uli |
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Ulrich Hausmann wrote
But closest mountains to Lausanne are the Jura!!! :-) I'm not ready to yield on that claim . . . Seems to me that le Grammont and Tete de Charousse are closer to Lausanne than most places with reliable snow in the Jura -- though I acknowledge that messy detail of the current lack of a road which directly crosses le Leman. To avoid that problem, consider Pointe d'Aveneyre -- how many snowy places in the Jura have a shorter driving time than the start of its west face tour? or Cape au Moine from les Avants? or Col de Lys from les Paccots? But of course you're right to point to the Jura for mellower skiing. I carefully said "Alps" around Lausanne because I haven't heard much about backcountry touring in the Jura. The few times I've been to the Jura I had a great time just skating on the groomed tracks. Ken |
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"Ken Roberts" wrote in
: Kurt Knisely wrote Ken Roberts wrote Backcountry telemarking is over. Except in Norway. And Utah and Colorado and Idaho and Montana... I'll gladly defer to others for Colorado, Idaho, etc. Ski partners living in Utah are my main source of examples of telemarkers switching to AT. There's way more Alpine Touring gear being sold in Salt Lake City shops nowadays than could be found 20 years ago. (That's where I bought my Scarpa F1 boots) I agree (although I wasn't here 20 years go). Quite a few are crossing over from tele to randonee bindings. The obviously "can't tele". A bit surprising, since the snow and terrain in the central Wasatch are pretty "friendly" for telemarking. Probably explains why there's so many "die-hards" still there. My only point. I just bought some new Alico double-leather boots last Spring (tired of cold feet in my other thin leathers). There's quite a bit of light to mid-weight touring around...I'm East of the Wasatch. And having a job in Salt Lake is a real easy way to get into enjoying lots of lift-served "powder mornings" -- and I'm pretty convinced that lift-served skiing is a key driver of telemarking. SLC job? Not if I can help it! And yes, most will agree that tele is marketed to the in-bounds crowd. Very few releasable tele bindings is one indicator. I'm very surprised that Black Diamond can't develop/market a releasable tele binding? Voile still has theirs (both in the SLC valley). I use plastic Garmonts and 7tms on my "heavy" setup...w/ AT skis. -K |
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Ken Roberts wrote:
So I just find my 3-buckle more fun -- and after all that's really why I'm out touring. That's really the nub. Part of the reason I ski tele is I find teles to be the way of turning my skis that puts the biggest grin on my face: I favour terrain as well as skis that helps me to do that (2 way feedback, I like covering big horizontal distance over vertical and choose skis that favour that). OTOH, for someone who enjoys parallel carved arcs and steep verticals most, alpine kit makes huge amounts of sense. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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"Christos Dimitrakakis" Hello, I have to admit that I am extremely confused as to what type of ski I would need to buy. Me too. Bravo on this thread. I guess it's a month old, though, and perhaps rehash for those who know more about skiing. But being largely of the same interests as OP, I have a few comments, questions as well. I'm leaning toward 2 pr skis. 1 light pair for similar desires as OP and touring with GF + 1 heavy pair to basically replace alpine gear for 50/50 lift/backcountry sans GF. She has little interest in the steeps. For light pair, thinking T2x or similar boot. Seems like a good compromise, plus get extra control to make up for lack of talent, interest in Tele turn. My take is as time goes on, I can drive a lot of different boards with these things. Maybe start off with an Outtabounds class ski for basically cross country skiing off track but on trail, and okay with survival and switchbacking to get down the bigger hills. Thinking Indian Peaks, RMNP, etc. with the GF in Jan-early March type snow. Not looking for the steepest lines. She's a novice, and had ACL repaired last year due to crash at Beaver Creak. Looking for exercise, clean air, lack of crowds, nothing extreme. Would like to feel the lightness, kick-glide I had XC skiing on track skis in MN growing up, but now I live in the mountains. As we get refined, can tune in on the optimal boards for our interests. T2x + Outtabounds/Sbound type ski a good start? For the heavy side, I feel like I can cover the rest of my interests with a Scarpa TT type boot on medium to heavy AT bindings. I've owned AT gear in past, but they were very flexible, poor performance (Koflac Artis Vario + light foam core skis ~90mm wide). So I would like to get something a lot stiffer. DIN 10-11 or so. No GF. Teledaddy, Work Stynx, etc. I guess I'm one of a growing class of perhaps despised types who enjoy lifts but don't enjoy crowds - the ones they are opening the BC gates for at the resorts. Okay with 2-3 runs a day, waddling around in snow seeking that untracked line a few valleys away. Really liked Silverton Mt, would like to try Commando Run to Vail, Red Mountain Pass, Berthoud, etc. Thinking March to end of season, maybe kicking steps up cols, etc. Looking to also demo Garmont Megaride, GFit, etc. Comments there? Thanks, - DL |
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DL wrote:
I'm leaning toward 2 pr skis. Only 2? it's just not trying... ;-) 1 light pair for similar desires as OP and touring with GF + 1 heavy pair to basically replace alpine gear for 50/50 lift/backcountry sans GF. She has little interest in the steeps. For light pair, thinking T2x or similar boot. T2X may well be light for a serious downhill tele boot, but it's /way/ over the top for "light cross country" where there isn't steep stuff. T4s or Excursions are on the chunky side for this line of work, and they're a fair bit less chunky than T2s. I would say any plastic tele boot is possibly over the top for this line of work. Seems like a good compromise, plus get extra control to make up for lack of talent, interest in Tele turn. My take is as time goes on, I can drive a lot of different boards with these things. True, but every time you travel kick 'n stick you'll pay for that downhill flexibility. Why not wait until time goes on? You may find that boots have gone on as well, and in the meantime pay a lot less and travel in more comfort. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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In article , DL wrote: "Christos Dimitrakakis" For light pair, thinking T2x or similar boot. Seems like a good compromise, plus get extra control to make up for lack of talent, interest in Tele turn. My take is as time goes on, I can drive a lot of different boards with these things. Maybe start off with an Outtabounds class ski for basically cross country skiing off track but on trail, and okay with survival and switchbacking to get down the bigger hills. Thinking Indian Peaks, RMNP, etc. with the GF in Jan-early March type snow. Not looking for the steepest lines. She's a novice, and had ACL repaired last year due to crash at Beaver Creak. Looking for exercise, clean air, lack of crowds, nothing extreme. Would like to feel the lightness, kick-glide I had XC skiing on track skis in MN growing up, but now I live in the mountains. As we get refined, can tune in on the optimal boards for our interests. T2x + Outtabounds/Sbound type ski a good start? T2x is a all rounder boot meant for today's wide telemark skis and way too stiff/heavy for Outtabounds skis. I would not put anybody with dodgy knees in that kind of boot unless they had releasable bindings. I'd say Garmont Excursion would be a much better choice for plastic boots. The reality is that turning skis of that light weight and narrowness takes learning some different techniques, boots can help, but too stiff a boot just doesn't do much good. There is a limit to what a person[1] can ski with those skis and it has way more to do with that person's technique and strength than what boot they are using. A boot of the T2X weight will just talk all the fun out of kick'n'glide with a very slight advantage in turning power. I think you might be happier with the Boundless, it's light enough for kick'n'glide fun outside of set tracks, performs reasonably well in light powder and will stand up to a beefier boot. _ Booker C. Bense [1]- Some people's limit is quite high, but you have to realize that there will be a limit for you. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBRX7+a2TWTAjn5N/lAQGJaQP/Zu4+63APYxK6yiT/JYylqzS91G5rKzVv 8XHH73AntPh71dYKXaFiX9l7ePTcrulHGtinHWMGgDMSU/OsEz/JlmhrP1vVhegk ihuMxlxXWrgs1t54jc194S8cXACrt5MOZsbzpDcJZKcHzAmZtr cLAVLzdP1hf7kQ Nrs6gMQg7WA= =+/r3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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"Booker C. Bense" T2x is a all rounder boot meant for today's wide telemark skis and way too stiff/heavy for Outtabounds skis. I would not put anybody with dodgy knees in that kind of boot unless they had releasable bindings. On the knee issue, tele basically out? Maybe better off on either heavy turning gear with releasable, or very light NNN on the tracks, just to minimize knee stress? Forget tele and go randonee? The whole reason for me to get some light gear is those knees of hers - so we can have something to do together w/o the steeps, speeds and crowds of the resorts. She's pretty novice in her abilities as well, and probably won't be putting in the high number of days needed to get good at something that is difficult to learn. General thoughts? I'd say Garmont Excursion would be a much better choice for plastic boots. I was considering, but noticed T2x was less than 1 lb heavier. Seemed ~1 lb was worth it for to get the extra support and ability to drive larger skis. But I the points you guys are making. The reality is that turning skis of that light weight and narrowness takes learning some different techniques, boots can help, but too stiff a boot just doesn't do much good. Makes sense. I guess we just need to demo some gear. I think you might be happier with the Boundless, it's light enough for kick'n'glide fun outside of set tracks, performs reasonably well in light powder and will stand up to a beefier boot. Outtabounds too light for T2x, got it. Thanks, |
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What exactly is randonee? Knees have been a problem for me in tele or
downhill gear. rm "DL" wrote: "Booker C. Bense" T2x is a all rounder boot meant for today's wide telemark skis and way too stiff/heavy for Outtabounds skis. I would not put anybody with dodgy knees in that kind of boot unless they had releasable bindings. On the knee issue, tele basically out? Maybe better off on either heavy turning gear with releasable, or very light NNN on the tracks, just to minimize knee stress? Forget tele and go randonee? The whole reason for me to get some light gear is those knees of hers - so we can have something to do together w/o the steeps, speeds and crowds of the resorts. She's pretty novice in her abilities as well, and probably won't be putting in the high number of days needed to get good at something that is difficult to learn. General thoughts? I'd say Garmont Excursion would be a much better choice for plastic boots. I was considering, but noticed T2x was less than 1 lb heavier. Seemed ~1 lb was worth it for to get the extra support and ability to drive larger skis. But I the points you guys are making. The reality is that turning skis of that light weight and narrowness takes learning some different techniques, boots can help, but too stiff a boot just doesn't do much good. Makes sense. I guess we just need to demo some gear. I think you might be happier with the Boundless, it's light enough for kick'n'glide fun outside of set tracks, performs reasonably well in light powder and will stand up to a beefier boot. Outtabounds too light for T2x, got it. Thanks, |
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"Ken Roberts" wrote
Backcountry telemarking is over. Except in Norway. Kurt Knisely wrote: And Utah and Colorado and Idaho and Montana... Oh, don't forget Vail. Ed Huesers Http://www.grandshelters.com |
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