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first upgrade
I just rode the first day of my fourth season yesterday. I'm wearing my
first boot upgrade, Salomon F24's. After wearing out my low-end Northwaves, I decided I wanted to go straight to the stiffest boot I could find. I chose them for better carving and cotnrol, but even more than that, for better ankle protection; and hurt myself last year with some bad techniques. I'm still on my original board, a Ride Control size 158. I'm 5'11", 145 lbs. I want to upgrade to some more stable that will handle unven terrain and bumps better, and not burrow under the powder (it was weird how much powder was on Killington in November). I'm turning fine on this board, and sometimes even swinging it around more than I meant too, so I guess I'm ready for something longer. Is there any benefit to going for a more expensive model, instead of just a longer version of the same one? |
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"Mike" wrote in message
... I just rode the first day of my fourth season yesterday. I'm wearing my first boot upgrade, Salomon F24's. After wearing out my low-end Northwaves, I decided I wanted to go straight to the stiffest boot I could find. I chose them for better carving and cotnrol, but even more than that, for better ankle protection; and hurt myself last year with some bad techniques. I'm still on my original board, a Ride Control size 158. I'm 5'11", 145 lbs. I want to upgrade to some more stable that will handle unven terrain and bumps better, and not burrow under the powder (it was weird how much powder was on Killington in November). I'm turning fine on this board, and sometimes even swinging it around more than I meant too, so I guess I'm ready for something longer. Is there any benefit to going for a more expensive model, instead of just a longer version of the same one? good choice on the boots. those are really stiff and pretty comfortable. with bumps you may want something flexible like what you've got, else you get beat up by the bumps. for general freeriding though, a stiffer, longer board will allow you to go faster and carve more solid turns with stability at speed. see if you can take a ride on a ride timeless 61. i have a timeless 64 and i love the thing. it's VERY stiff, plows thru all kinds of snow effortlessly, and turns on a dime. it's quite a ride on this board. i can't wait for the BIG powder so i can try the timeless 67. a word of caution though- if you're doing most of your riding at crowded resorts in the east, a true freeride board like the timeless may be a bit much to handle. it wants to go FAST. -- jmed |
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Mike wrote in message ...
I just rode the first day of my fourth season yesterday. I'm wearing my first boot upgrade, Salomon F24's. After wearing out my low-end Northwaves, I decided I wanted to go straight to the stiffest boot I could find. I chose them for better carving and cotnrol, but even more than that, for better ankle protection; and hurt myself last year with some bad techniques. I'm still on my original board, a Ride Control size 158. I'm 5'11", 145 lbs. I want to upgrade to some more stable that will handle unven terrain and bumps better, and not burrow under the powder (it was weird how much powder was on Killington in November). I'm turning fine on this board, and sometimes even swinging it around more than I meant too, so I guess I'm ready for something longer. Is there any benefit to going for a more expensive model, instead of just a longer version of the same one? I'm not sure I'd go for a longer board if I were you. I was up at Killington last weekend during demo day and rode a 56 and a 166. I'm 5-10 and 190 and the 56 performed much better. It was Sat, the trails had been pretty moguled up and there were idiots everywhere. Heh, you weren't one, were u? lol The shorter board was so much easier and quicker to make sharp turns. I have the 66 for real powder when I go to Colorado, or if they happen to get a good snowfall at Killington. But, I think for a compromise, the 56 is where you want to be for your weight. I'd at least demo a longer board before you buy it. And yes, there is a lot of difference between boards besides length and to some extent at least, you get what you pay for. I went from a run of the mill Sims to a Burton Custom and the difference was like night and day. |
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Chet Hayes wrote:
Mike wrote in message ... I just rode the first day of my fourth season yesterday. I'm wearing my first boot upgrade, Salomon F24's. After wearing out my low-end Northwaves, I decided I wanted to go straight to the stiffest boot I could find. I chose them for better carving and cotnrol, but even more than that, for better ankle protection; and hurt myself last year with some bad techniques. I'm still on my original board, a Ride Control size 158. I'm 5'11", 145 lbs. I want to upgrade to some more stable that will handle unven terrain and bumps better, and not burrow under the powder (it was weird how much powder was on Killington in November). I'm turning fine on this board, and sometimes even swinging it around more than I meant too, so I guess I'm ready for something longer. Is there any benefit to going for a more expensive model, instead of just a longer version of the same one? I'm not sure I'd go for a longer board if I were you. I was up at Killington last weekend during demo day and rode a 56 and a 166. I'm 5-10 and 190 and the 56 performed much better. It was Sat, the trails had been pretty moguled up and there were idiots everywhere. Heh, you weren't one, were u? lol The shorter board was so much easier and quicker to make sharp turns. I have the 66 for real powder when I go to Colorado, or if they happen to get a good snowfall at Killington. But, I think for a compromise, the 56 is where you want to be for your weight. I'd at least demo a longer board before you buy it. And yes, there is a lot of difference between boards besides length and to some extent at least, you get what you pay for. I went from a run of the mill Sims to a Burton Custom and the difference was like night and day. Couldn't have been me in your way. Riding down Killingtom on a Saturday is like driving in Manhattan on a weekday. Actually, so is any other slope in the Northeast on Saturdays, so I only do weekdays. I'm lucky to have a work schedule that lets me do it. My friend's got a suite in the Grand Hotel right at the base of Snowshed, so I spend my days off during the week there. I've got one weekend trip booked for Martin Luther King, Jr, weekend. That's gonna be crazy. If I get a longer board, I might ride the older one on an occasion like that. I didn't know weight was much of a factor for choosing length. I'd assumed it was all in a rider's height. I'll have to research that more. |
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Mike wrote in message ...
Chet Hayes wrote: Mike wrote in message ... I just rode the first day of my fourth season yesterday. I'm wearing my first boot upgrade, Salomon F24's. After wearing out my low-end Northwaves, I decided I wanted to go straight to the stiffest boot I could find. I chose them for better carving and cotnrol, but even more than that, for better ankle protection; and hurt myself last year with some bad techniques. I'm still on my original board, a Ride Control size 158. I'm 5'11", 145 lbs. I want to upgrade to some more stable that will handle unven terrain and bumps better, and not burrow under the powder (it was weird how much powder was on Killington in November). I'm turning fine on this board, and sometimes even swinging it around more than I meant too, so I guess I'm ready for something longer. Is there any benefit to going for a more expensive model, instead of just a longer version of the same one? I'm not sure I'd go for a longer board if I were you. I was up at Killington last weekend during demo day and rode a 56 and a 166. I'm 5-10 and 190 and the 56 performed much better. It was Sat, the trails had been pretty moguled up and there were idiots everywhere. Heh, you weren't one, were u? lol The shorter board was so much easier and quicker to make sharp turns. I have the 66 for real powder when I go to Colorado, or if they happen to get a good snowfall at Killington. But, I think for a compromise, the 56 is where you want to be for your weight. I'd at least demo a longer board before you buy it. And yes, there is a lot of difference between boards besides length and to some extent at least, you get what you pay for. I went from a run of the mill Sims to a Burton Custom and the difference was like night and day. Couldn't have been me in your way. Riding down Killingtom on a Saturday is like driving in Manhattan on a weekday. Actually, so is any other slope in the Northeast on Saturdays, so I only do weekdays. I'm lucky to have a work schedule that lets me do it. My friend's got a suite in the Grand Hotel right at the base of Snowshed, so I spend my days off during the week there. I've got one weekend trip booked for Martin Luther King, Jr, weekend. That's gonna be crazy. If I get a longer board, I might ride the older one on an occasion like that. I didn't know weight was much of a factor for choosing length. I'd assumed it was all in a rider's height. I'll have to research that more. Since we're dealing with gravity, weight is by far the most important factor in choosing board size, with height a secondary factor. For example, if you were considering a range of boards for a given weight, then I'd go with the longer range for a tall person. I agree with you about Killington. I usually go during the week too, as I have a flex schedule too. Somehow, this being the earliest I had ever gone up, it didn't even register that it could be very crowded on a Sat this early. I went Sat based on weather and the demo day. Where are u located? I'm in NJ and if you're possibly interested on sharing a ride up sometime, let me know. |
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Mike wrote:
I'm still on my original board, a Ride Control size 158. I'm 5'11", 145 lbs. I want to upgrade to some more stable that will handle unven terrain and bumps better, and not burrow under the powder (it was weird how much powder was on Killington in November). I'm turning fine on this board, and sometimes even swinging it around more than I meant too, so I guess I'm ready for something longer. Is there any benefit to going for a more expensive model, instead of just a longer version of the same one? For the rider, weight is more important than height. Height is just easier to "measure" and in general weight increases proportionally with height. In the same way, snowboards tend to get stiffer as you go longer... BUT you can get a stiffer board without increasing the length - pretty all company's high-end freeride models are *much* stiffer than their "beginner board" models. So first upgrade you board to a high-end board just like you did with the boots. The Control is a "beginner" board that is softer and more forgiving... but won't be very stable at higher speed. The Ride Timeless 156-158 would be a good board for you. This is shorter than the board you are riding, but I believe it will be stiffer and therefore more responsive and stable. Eventually once you have a moved up to the top end stuff, THEN you can play with length to try out different sidecut radii and stuff... but don't worry about that now really because you just first to move up in the "board model lines" --Arvin |
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Mike wrote:
I'm still on my original board, a Ride Control size 158. I'm 5'11", 145 lbs. I want to upgrade to some more stable that will handle unven terrain and bumps better, and not burrow under the powder (it was weird how much powder was on Killington in November). I'm turning fine on this board, and sometimes even swinging it around more than I meant too, so I guess I'm ready for something longer. Is there any benefit to going for a more expensive model, instead of just a longer version of the same one? For the rider, weight is more important than height. Height is just easier to "measure" and in general weight increases proportionally with height. In the same way, snowboards tend to get stiffer as you go longer... BUT you can get a stiffer board without increasing the length - pretty all company's high-end freeride models are *much* stiffer than their "beginner board" models. So first upgrade you board to a high-end board just like you did with the boots. The Control is a "beginner" board that is softer and more forgiving... but won't be very stable at higher speed. The Ride Timeless 156-158 would be a good board for you. This is shorter than the board you are riding, but I believe it will be stiffer and therefore more responsive and stable. Eventually once you have a moved up to the top end stuff, THEN you can play with length to try out different sidecut radii and stuff... but don't worry about that now really because you just first to move up in the "board model lines" --Arvin |
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"lonerider" wrote in message
For the rider, weight is more important than height. Height is just easier to "measure" and in general weight increases proportionally with height. In the same way, snowboards tend to get stiffer as you go longer... BUT you can get a stiffer board without increasing the length - pretty all company's high-end freeride models are *much* stiffer than their "beginner board" models. So first upgrade you board to a high-end board just like you did with the boots. The Control is a "beginner" board that is softer and more forgiving... but won't be very stable at higher speed. The Ride Timeless 156-158 would be a good board for you. This is shorter than the board you are riding, but I believe it will be stiffer and therefore more responsive and stable. Eventually once you have a moved up to the top end stuff, THEN you can play with length to try out different sidecut radii and stuff... but don't worry about that now really because you just first to move up in the "board model lines" --Arvin The Timeless has been suggested to me several times now. I've been using Ride bindings with my Control. Any recommendations on which Ride bindings to pair up with the Timeless? |
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"Chet Hayes" wrote board, and sometimes even swinging it around more than I meant too, so I guess I'm ready for something longer. Is there any benefit to going for a more expensive model, instead of just a longer version of the same one? I'm not sure I'd go for a longer board if I were you. I was up at .... weren't one, were u? lol The shorter board was so much easier and quicker to make sharp turns. I have the 66 for real powder when I go to Colorado, or if they happen to get a good snowfall at Killington. But, I think for a compromise, the 56 is where you want to be for your weight. I'd at least demo a longer board before you buy it. My experience is to the contrary. Short boards have a problem with simply having not enough edge on the snow, so it gets very, very hard to not sideslip on 'em on steeper slopes - they simply don't hold the edge. If speed is a concern, a longer board with bigger sidecut will do the trick - it will turn faster and yet have a good edge hold. For freeriding a 156cm board will likely have to be maxed out on stance width for a 5'11" guy, so it will ride very differently from a 160 or 162 board with normal stance. I'm same height and only 10lbs heavier, so I speak from personal experience here. "More expensive" might mean many different things. It might mean "more hyped up" board with the same performance as the next one with less known name, for example. I gave that recommendation a number of times here, but since then I've had a couple of friends try that board with very good impressions - Palmer Classic. I'm also extremely happy with my Nitro Shadow (160), except for the fact that I got it badly banged up on rocks at Baker last weekend. Core shots, edge nicks and all :/ Should have taken one of my old boards for "early season conditions", stupid. Didn't expect it to be THAT bad. If I can fix it correctly, I'll probably be on that board most of the days this season, even though it's marketed as a mostly freestyle board and I'm not going nowhere near the park. |
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