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bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Mar.30.04@telemark. slac.stanford.edu
wrote: _ Yes, I know a lot about waxing as I used to race XC. It's not going from a "dusting" to wet granular, it's going from 2 feet of fresh powder to wet paste to corn. So, just to confirm.... does this imply that you've tried kick wax over (universal) klister in the Sierra and found it not to work for your typical sun/shade conditions? I'm not arguing for wax vs waxless, at this point. Just trying to gather feedback. _ There is no "untracked" snow at a ski area. Waxless skis are at their worst on prepared tracks and hard snow. In untracked snow there is enough friction in moving the snow out of the way that the difference between waxless and waxable is not that noticable. Wasn't my experience. I made the mistake of skiing my waxless skis on abrasive groomed manmade at a ski area out of necessity. They were the only skis I had. After a season of that use (abuse?) they were noticably slower in all conditions, even in new soft snow. This said, I think waxless is almost always fastest from point A to point B, since you don't have to futz with wax. Efficiency != fun though. _ There is a point at which it's pretty hard to have any fun if you don't have a certain level of efficiency. Tools to terrain, as the forest ski discussion shows, every piece of gear works "somewhere". Yup. -- Dave ============================================== "It is impossible, or not easy, to do noble acts without the proper equipment." Aristotle, Politics, 1323a-b, trans Jowett ============================================== |
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In article , pinnah wrote: bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Mar.30.04@telemark .slac.stanford.edu wrote: _ Yes, I know a lot about waxing as I used to race XC. It's not going from a "dusting" to wet granular, it's going from 2 feet of fresh powder to wet paste to corn. So, just to confirm.... does this imply that you've tried kick wax over (universal) klister in the Sierra and found it not to work for your typical sun/shade conditions? I'm not arguing for wax vs waxless, at this point. Just trying to gather feedback. _ Yes, I tried every waxing trick I knew about or ever heard of, even the magical silver klister[1] doesn't really work well enough over a long day. I could probably use waxable skis more than I do, but I'm pretty happy with the performance of my waxless skis. The downsides to getting the wax wrong are too much for the advantages. When I get the time to head up there I want to spend it skiing, not waxing. If I had more time, I'd experiment with waxing more, there's nothing quite like the feeling of kick'n'glide when you get it right. _ In my experience kick wax over klister is a pretty specialized trick, great for blowing powder into icy tracks and similar tricky conditions. It also needs to be cold enough out that the thin klister layer will setup properly in a short time. Sometimes very hard to do on a sunny warm day when you're in a hurry to get going... _ Booker C. Bense [1]- A thin layer of silver klister aged a week or two on your ski base has the widest usable range of any wax I've ever used. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQHHpWmTWTAjn5N/lAQFi9QP/RqYlCw/sQN4FJ5alWWFfgz4QsF8nxQPm qzN10M71NTLanu/sYbNyJXGD34aX+KYS1VjmTVt+CNBKy1W4SP+djsorYVnWWL6y JlR65aYLpy17iLnMaWgkykSgj1LvRcA4lbdvrSAEaQyR1MICtA jd8U83rX1sK023 FHUDceYfrB0= =tn/G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Apr.05.04@telemark. slac.stanford.edu
wrote: _ Yes, I tried every waxing trick I knew about or ever heard of, even the magical silver klister[1] doesn't really work well enough over a long day. Great feedback. Many thanks! Say, since you've spent time waxing in New England, I would appreciate any feedback, comments or sugggestions on the following web page: http://home.comcast.net/~pinnah/DirtbagPinner/wax.html Note, it targeted towards touring, not racing and very much targeted for New England (or similar climates). _ In my experience kick wax over klister is a pretty specialized trick, great for blowing powder into icy tracks and similar tricky conditions. It also needs to be cold enough out that the thin klister layer will setup properly in a short time. Good point on the set-up time. [1]- A thin layer of silver klister aged a week or two on your ski base has the widest usable range of any wax I've ever used. This makes me feel good about being lazy and keeping one pair of klister skis going throughout the year. I just keep adding klister to an old pair skis and don't bother cleaning them till the season's over sometimes. -- Dave ============================================== "It is impossible, or not easy, to do noble acts without the proper equipment." Aristotle, Politics, 1323a-b, trans Jowett ============================================== |
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In article , pinnah wrote: bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Apr.05.04@telemark .slac.stanford.edu wrote: _ Yes, I tried every waxing trick I knew about or ever heard of, even the magical silver klister[1] doesn't really work well enough over a long day. Great feedback. Many thanks! Say, since you've spent time waxing in New England, I would appreciate any feedback, comments or sugggestions on the following web page: http://home.comcast.net/~pinnah/DirtbagPinner/wax.html _ Two comments. 1. GET SOME SILVER KLISTER! It's hard to find, difficult to use, but nothing lasts longer in abrasive corn snow. The useful temperature range is much wider than listed on the package. 2. Thinner is better with klister. The thinner you put klister on the better it will work and the longer it lasts. If you let klister sit in the cold a bit, you can even cork it into the base. This requires that you have a "klister" cork made of real cork and you will make a huge mess the first couple times you try it. _ The rest of the page seems pretty useful to me. I've always preferred the special's and extra's over the standard colors. Note, it targeted towards touring, not racing and very much targeted for New England (or similar climates). _ In my experience kick wax over klister is a pretty specialized trick, great for blowing powder into icy tracks and similar tricky conditions. It also needs to be cold enough out that the thin klister layer will setup properly in a short time. Good point on the set-up time. [1]- A thin layer of silver klister aged a week or two on your ski base has the widest usable range of any wax I've ever used. This makes me feel good about being lazy and keeping one pair of klister skis going throughout the year. I just keep adding klister to an old pair skis and don't bother cleaning them till the season's over sometimes. _ If you can keep it clean, I've found that aged klister generally works better. The biggest mistake people make with klister is putting it on too thick. Get the klister nice and warm before you put it on, make it as thin as possible and let it cool before you use the skis. _ Aged klister works well because it is effectively thinned and corked in by the abrasiveness of the snow. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQHw2EWTWTAjn5N/lAQGc4AQAnqiJBoeVivQJUfQa68TDz0Atx0mjLB8a 89K6WnNEwiPmydoBYRj1u8mKDFdghF36KacFSgdt+VOO2fPc4/Z5BvAmHOCAL17C tCuzewuQoLJcZdbsa8axLu1a/yBzWKy9uj0kPu6/2if1RNkJXKWErXeSPJq4X/hU i2PUO9Q30uI= =cfZf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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