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MattB wrote:
Varanasi Benares wrote: Walt wrote: [snip] Fortunately, the chances of the Olympics coming to Detroit is vanishingly small. I would love to see the Winter Olympics in Detroit! Or Chicago - imagine the downhill at Mt. Villa Olivia: http://www.villaolivia.com/html/ski_mountain.html (Of course, what I would really like to see is a World Series in Detroit.) If they did it at Pine Knob they could use the ampetheater too! Ok, as long as we're letting our minds run in fantasyland where the Tigers win the World Series and Detroit get the winter olympic bid, I'll chime in and say I'll support an olympic bid here as long as it includes building the necessary facilities - i.e. a ski hill with at least 1000' of vertical and state of the art snowmaking. *Then* I'd support it. -- //-Walt // // Dream on... |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:11:00 CST, lal_truckee
wrote: Varanasi Benares wrote: Walt wrote: [snip] Fortunately, the chances of the Olympics coming to Detroit is vanishingly small. I would love to see the Winter Olympics in Detroit! Or Chicago - imagine the downhill at Mt. Villa Olivia: http://www.villaolivia.com/html/ski_mountain.html (Of course, what I would really like to see is a World Series in Detroit.) Seems less likely than hosting the Winter Olympics. If that were true, there would have been at least three Winter Olympics in Detroit by now (v. only 2 World Series). b "GO PISTONS!" w |
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Walt wrote:
MattB wrote: Varanasi Benares wrote: Walt wrote: [snip] Fortunately, the chances of the Olympics coming to Detroit is vanishingly small. I would love to see the Winter Olympics in Detroit! Or Chicago - imagine the downhill at Mt. Villa Olivia: http://www.villaolivia.com/html/ski_mountain.html (Of course, what I would really like to see is a World Series in Detroit.) If they did it at Pine Knob they could use the ampetheater too! Ok, as long as we're letting our minds run in fantasyland where the Tigers win the World Series and Detroit get the winter olympic bid, I'll chime in and say I'll support an olympic bid here as long as it includes building the necessary facilities - i.e. a ski hill with at least 1000' of vertical and state of the art snowmaking. *Then* I'd support it. They last roared in '84, so wouldn't it be convenient for rhyming slogans in they were to roar again in '04? Just watch out for the "celebration riot". IIRC that '84 celebration killed 7. Matt |
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bdubya wrote:
lal_truckee wrote: Varanasi Benares wrote: Walt wrote: [snip] Fortunately, the chances of the Olympics coming to Detroit is vanishingly small. I would love to see the Winter Olympics in Detroit! Or Chicago - imagine the downhill at Mt. Villa Olivia: http://www.villaolivia.com/html/ski_mountain.html (Of course, what I would really like to see is a World Series in Detroit.) Seems less likely than hosting the Winter Olympics. If that were true, there would have been at least three Winter Olympics in Detroit by now (v. only 2 World Series). Only 2 World Series? Come again? Even the Cubs have been in more than 2 World Series. Check yer MLB history and you'l see that there have been nine WS in Detroit with the Tigers winning four of them. Heck, they've even played three WS against the Cubs! But, alas, the question is not has it happened before, but the likelihood of it happening again. The possibility just seems remote. obski: How'd Mount Bohemia treat you last weekend? -- //-Walt // // http://tinyurl.com/3gg3e |
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"Carl_M" wrote in message om... (SirJeffer) wrote in message . com... What makes a good Olympic choice? Where would you want the winter Olympics and Why if you could have your choice? The city that offers the biggest bribe :-P Seriously I would look for: 1. Good access for spectators (both in terms of the roads not being totally clogged up and in it being close enough to at least one major city for day trippers. 2. A reasonably compact area to hold all the events 3. Likely good conditions for events. They had great trouble finishing the ski events in Sapporo as the visibility often poor. I'm not sure if they were just unlucky or if this was normal for the time of year. 4. Facilities that will continue to be used after the olympics (eg Ski jump, ice rinks with space for several thousand spectators) 5. A bid that looks as if they will be able to do what they say on time and at least close to budget You make a reference about Salt Lake offering some kind of bribe. Then you go and list 5 criteria that describe Salt Lake. Do you think that the bribe thing is just a little sour grapes? The case against the organizers has been thrown out of court twice. |
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pigo wrote:
"Carl_M" wrote in message om... (SirJeffer) wrote in message . com... What makes a good Olympic choice? Where would you want the winter Olympics and Why if you could have your choice? The city that offers the biggest bribe :-P CLIP You make a reference about Salt Lake offering some kind of bribe. Then you go and list 5 criteria that describe Salt Lake. Do you think that the bribe thing is just a little sour grapes? The case against the organizers has been thrown out of court twice. I think the point was that the Olympic venues have traditionally offered "bribes" - in most of the world back scratching doesn't have the negative connotations it has in the good ol u s of a. SLC didn't do anything untraditional. |
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You make a reference about Salt Lake offering some kind of bribe. Then you go and list 5 criteria that describe Salt Lake. Do you think that the bribe thing is just a little sour grapes? The case against the organizers has been thrown out of court twice. SLC was quite a good games although I would not class SLC as being close to a large city (population of say 500,000). Denver would just about be big enough (but 500 miles each way is a long way for a day trip). Turin has a populaiton of nearly 2M. Nagano city has populaiton of 350,000 but 2M live in the Nagano province (an area of just 5000 sq miles) I think the point was that the Olympic venues have traditionally offered "bribes" - in most of the world back scratching doesn't have the negative connotations it has in the good ol u s of a. SLC didn't do anything untraditional. I agree, while SLC did cross my mind it was not the SLC affair that resulted in my answer. Until the uproar with SLC it was normal for all the IOC members to go to all the candidate cities to evaluate the bids. While there the host cities would put them in the best hotels and give them suvenires of their visit which became more and more valuable. This was done by all the cities and can be viewed as either a bribe or corporate hospitality. Somebody decided at the time Salt lake city won their bid that it wasn't acceptable and put it in print. Court cases have shown what happened with SLC to be legal but IMO immoral. The response of the IOC to change the bidding method implies they are not happy for the old ways too. continue either. |
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AstroPax wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:39:00 CST, (Carl_M) wrote: I would not class SLC as being close to a large city (population of say 500,000). Certainly, Salt Lake City proper is not a "large city", however, the Salt Lake Metro Area isn't exactly what I would classify as "small" by any means. In the year 2000, the population of Salt Lake County alone was 902,777. And, in the year 2000, the population of the Wasatch front (which is basically one big city including Salt Lake) was over 1.3 million. -Astro Ok it's not as bad as I thought I had 1980 figures of population of SLC 163000 and Utah 1.46M (now 181000 and 2.3M) and I didn't realise hjow much of the states populaiton was in the SLC urban area. While some parts of Wyoming and Idaho are within daily travelling distance (no large cities) IMO larger parts of Utah are too far away, ( I don't have population figures by county) so I will assume that 2M people were within travelling distance of the SLC games. This is tiny compared to the olympics before and after it. Nagano 1998 The Nagano and the surrounding prefectures (close enough for a day trip) have a total population of 38.4M (the area is 32000 sq miles) Turin 2006 The Italian regions close to the game have a total population of 14.9M (area of 22000 sq miles). There are also areas in France and Switzerland close enough for day trippers including the city of Nice with maybe another 3M population. Therefore the SLC games still had only 1/10 of the populaiton within travelling distance as Turin and 1/20 of Nagano. |
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"Carl_M" wrote in message om... AstroPax wrote in message . .. On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:39:00 CST, (Carl_M) wrote: I would not class SLC as being close to a large city (population of say 500,000). Certainly, Salt Lake City proper is not a "large city", however, the Salt Lake Metro Area isn't exactly what I would classify as "small" by any means. In the year 2000, the population of Salt Lake County alone was 902,777. And, in the year 2000, the population of the Wasatch front (which is basically one big city including Salt Lake) was over 1.3 million. -Astro Ok it's not as bad as I thought I had 1980 figures of population of SLC 163000 and Utah 1.46M (now 181000 and 2.3M) and I didn't realise hjow much of the states populaiton was in the SLC urban area. While some parts of Wyoming and Idaho are within daily travelling distance (no large cities) IMO larger parts of Utah are too far away, ( I don't have population figures by county) so I will assume that 2M people were within travelling distance of the SLC games. This is tiny compared to the olympics before and after it. Nagano 1998 The Nagano and the surrounding prefectures (close enough for a day trip) have a total population of 38.4M (the area is 32000 sq miles) Turin 2006 The Italian regions close to the game have a total population of 14.9M (area of 22000 sq miles). There are also areas in France and Switzerland close enough for day trippers including the city of Nice with maybe another 3M population. Therefore the SLC games still had only 1/10 of the populaiton within travelling distance as Turin and 1/20 of Nagano. But you can only get so many people in. The seats were full at SLC. All you proved here is that the percentage of the total that gets to attend is higher here. |
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