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Snowboarding or skiing?
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:03:34 GMT, "David Brown \)"
allegedly wrote: Your son on the other hand should definately go for boarding, he'll pick it up quicker, bounce back from crashes much quicker and perhaps most importantly of all.....the chicks dig it ) Kids will pick it up quicker whether on a board or skis. Put them on both so that they can make their own decision as to which they prefer later in life. There are certainly times where I wish I was on skis (and a much better skier). :-) - Dave. -- The only powder to get high on, falls from the sky. http://www.vpas.org/ - Snowboarding the worlds pow pow - Securing your e-mail The Snowboard FAQ lives here - http://rssFAQ.org/ |
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Snowboarding or skiing?
"Joe Ramirez" wrote in message ...
Well, Joe, congratulations on taking up snowsports. Lots of good advice in this thread, I didn't really see anything that was wrong. From my perspecive being both a skier (34 years + instructor for a few) and boarder (17 years), your can't go wrong with either. So, here are a few questions. Thanks very much in advance for any answers or suggestions you may have. 1. Am I correct about the learning curves of boarding vs. skiing? If not, what's the reality? I think it's easier to progress faster on a snowboard. My reasoning for this is that you pretty much have to learn the correct way to snowboard from day one. A first timer has to make turns the same basic way as a seasoned expert. With skis, you go through a progression from snowplow, wedge turns to parallel turns. This takes more time because you have to master each step. 2. If you both ski and ride, which do you prefer, and why? If you ride but don't ski, do you have any sense that you're missing out on an important part of the winter mountain experience? Personally, I prefer skiing. Mainly because I am a better skier and I find it easier to get around the mountain on skis. If you ask me, this is the main disadvantage of a snowboard. When it comes to deep snow on relatively flat trails, long flat runouts or slightly up hill areas, the skiers definately have the advantage. I also do a lot of back country skiing where I hike to the fresh pow. On level to slightly uphill areas, I can put on my skis and walk on top of the snow while my snowboarding friends are post holeing trying to keep up. On skiings down side, it takes much longer to become a proficiant powder skier. Most skiers never master it. Shaped fat skis do help but it's something that's much easier to learn and enjoy on a snowboard and this is what snowsports are all about. The only problem is when you get to the bottom and it's a flat runout with deep snow. Personally, I've got great powder technique so I find it hard to give up a powder day to improve my snowboard technique. 3. I understand that virtually all ski resorts now welcome snowboarders as well. But are there any "skiers only" trails or slopes? Couple of skier only resorts as covered in other parts of this thread. 4. If I took up snowboarding and persevered long enough to become a decent rider, would I be able to hit the slopes with the brother and/or brother-in-law (I mean the ones within my capabilities)? Or is there something awkward about going snowboarding with skiers? Does one get "left in the dust," so to speak? It's all about mileage. I've had friends who have moved out here (Breckenridge) and become expert skiers or snowboarders in one season. Most of them already had a background in some other balance sport like surfing or rollerblading. The point is to get out as often as you can and try to go with people who are better than you. You can really start making drastic improvements when you get to the point where you don't fall very often. Then you can usually keep up with people who are a lot better and learn from them. Also, when starting out, take some lessons. It's much easier to learn the correct technique the first time then to learn something wrong and have to unlearn it later. As far as boarding with skiers goes, it helps to go with skiers who have actually ridden before. Boarders need to ride through flat sections where skiers might stop. Boarders need to stop at the begining of a pitch after the flat section. Sometimes skiers can just be oblivious to this so you need to remind them. It's also nice to have some skiers in your group for some of the flat sections. When I'm out with friends who ride and we hit a long flat, I'll give a pole to my boarder friends if they need it. By the way, I posted my inquiry here rather than in rec.skiing.alpine because, contrary to the old stereotype about boarders being uncouth, this group seems like a friendly, helpful forum, whereas r.s.a. (at least the unmoderated version) is bedeviled by brutal flame wars. Yeah, that's been going on for way to long. Some people would rather bitch than ski. A good killfile helps a lot. The moderated group is a bit low traffic and could use this kind of stuff from people like you. I've always been a skier and that will always be my first choice but I have been out on a board probably more times than a lot of people here. One thing that I've always found is that skiers were ruder to me when I was on a board. I have never run into a boarder that was rude to me because I was on skis. Just goes to show what sterotypes are worth. But I also must note that the rude skiers really were not skiers. They were tourists on vacation. The people who live here know that it doesn't really matter what gear you are on as long as you are having fun. snoig |
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Snowboarding or skiing?
I think it's easier to progress faster on a snowboard. My reasoning
for this is that you pretty much have to learn the correct way to snowboard from day one. A first timer has to make turns the same basic way as a seasoned expert. With skis, you go through a progression from snowplow, wedge turns to parallel turns. This takes more time because you have to master each step. I disagree. One does not have to "learn the correct way to snowboard from day one". In most cases there is a progression in snowboarding that is not terribly different from the skiing progression you mention above: Falling leafs and garlands Skidded turns Carved turns I think snowboarders tend to get through the falling leaf stage faster than skiers get through the snowplow stage... but they are just as likely to be "terminal skidding intermediates" as skiers are to be "terminal wedging intermediates" You also have the same issues where the ability to carve a snowboard falls apart on steeps and bumps, just like the ability to parallel ski does. Likewise, some people *think* they are carving their snowboard but they aren't (still waiting too long to change edges and whipping it around) and some people *think* they are parallel skiing but aren't. (I spent most of my years as a skier in this type of delusion - was essentially doing what I just described on a snowboard) I think speed of progression depends on the person, and for any given individual, whichever one they try first is going to take a little longer to get good at. Mike T |
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"Andrew Cleland" wrote in message
... "David Brown \)" wrote in : "Christoph" wrote in message how is that possible? not to allow it? isn´t this discrimination? an interesting point... I wouldn't have thought they could stop you boarding unless they own the land but they could certainly stop you from using 'their' lifts. Sadly: http://www.alta.com/noboard.html http://www.skitaos.org/MOUNTAIN/index.php (bottom of page) The Taos resort is partly (wholly?) on federal land. I bet that if a group of concerned snowboarders started complaining loudly and obtained a politically influential advocate (e.g., a member of Congress with a child who snowboards), Taos would eventually cave in and change its no-snowboard policy. There is no ecological reason to exclude snowboards. This is not like snowmobiles in Yellowstone; this is mere snobbery. Why should some citizens be denied a right of recreation on federal land that is extended to other citizens, and in fact to noncitizens as well? Why should a skier from, say, Norway be able to enjoy U.S. land from which a snowboarder from Montana is barred?! (I don't want to sound too chauvinistic, but these are the kinds of arguments that work.) Joe Ramirez |
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"Mike T" wrote in message
... I think it's easier to progress faster on a snowboard. My reasoning for this is that you pretty much have to learn the correct way to snowboard from day one. A first timer has to make turns the same basic way as a seasoned expert. With skis, you go through a progression from snowplow, wedge turns to parallel turns. This takes more time because you have to master each step. I disagree. One does not have to "learn the correct way to snowboard from day one". In most cases there is a progression in snowboarding that is not terribly different from the skiing progression you mention above: Falling leafs and garlands Skidded turns Carved turns [rest deleted] All I can say is that I'm proud to have started a thread that has elicited so much genuinely informative and interesting discussion. Joe Ramirez |
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"Joe Ramirez" wrote in
: "Andrew Cleland" wrote in message ... "David Brown \)" wrote in : "Christoph" wrote in message how is that possible? not to allow it? isn´t this discrimination? an interesting point... I wouldn't have thought they could stop you boarding unless they own the land but they could certainly stop you from using 'their' lifts. Sadly: http://www.alta.com/noboard.html http://www.skitaos.org/MOUNTAIN/index.php (bottom of page) The Taos resort is partly (wholly?) on federal land. I bet that if a group of concerned snowboarders started complaining loudly and obtained a politically influential advocate (e.g., a member of Congress with a child who snowboards), Taos would eventually cave in and change its no-snowboard policy. There is no ecological reason to exclude snowboards. This is not like snowmobiles in Yellowstone; this is mere snobbery. Why should some citizens be denied a right of recreation on federal land that is extended to other citizens, and in fact to noncitizens as well? Why should a skier from, say, Norway be able to enjoy U.S. land from which a snowboarder from Montana is barred?! (I don't want to sound too chauvinistic, but these are the kinds of arguments that work.) Joe Ramirez Yup - it's not right. I think the main cause is fear - both of something different (although snowboarding is hardly uncommon nowadays), but also of crashes between boarders and skiers. There are a whole load of (mainly spurious) arguments some skiers give against borders - blind spots, lack of control, different routes down the hill, to justify the ban. In most cases there would be no problem if the skiers obeyed one of the most important points of the skiers/riders code - the downhill skier/rider always has priority. The whole thing has been argued to the nth degree more than a few times on the internet. Interestingly, the good skiers, whose opinions I tend to value, all tend to say that there is no conflict between skis and boards - it's the blowhards who probably wedge all the way down black runs and then say "they ski black runs regularly" who have the issues. On a lighter note, moves are afoot at Taos: http://expn.go.com/snb/s/taos_snowboarding.html It's all good AC. |
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Snowboarding or skiing?
"Joe Ramirez" wrote in message ...
"Mike T" wrote in message ... I think it's easier to progress faster on a snowboard. My reasoning for this is that you pretty much have to learn the correct way to snowboard from day one. A first timer has to make turns the same basic way as a seasoned expert. With skis, you go through a progression from snowplow, wedge turns to parallel turns. This takes more time because you have to master each step. I disagree. One does not have to "learn the correct way to snowboard from day one". In most cases there is a progression in snowboarding that is not terribly different from the skiing progression you mention above: Falling leafs and garlands Skidded turns Carved turns [rest deleted] All I can say is that I'm proud to have started a thread that has elicited so much genuinely informative and interesting discussion. Joe Ramirez So what's it going to be then, skiing or snowboarding? 8^) snoig |
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Snowboarding or skiing?
He's gone for boarding (see later thread), but I reckon he'll be skiing
after the first week ) |
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Snowboarding or skiing?
"David Brown )" wrote in message
... He's gone for boarding (see later thread), but I reckon he'll be skiing after the first week ) O ye of little faith! We shall see. Joe Ramirez |
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Snowboarding or skiing?
"Jürgen Schmadlak" wrote in message ... Joe Ramirez wrote: 1. Am I correct about the learning curves of boarding vs. skiing? If not, what's the reality? I was skiing vor 15 years. Then I paused for 15 years and started snowboarding in 2002 at the age of 36. A friend of mine just started skiing again after an unsucessful year of trying 30 years ago. She was far better her first day than she was 30 years ago. She is doing multiple intermediate runs on her third day. The modern equipment, and a lifetime of activity (and some good instruction :-) made a huge difference. As a beginner it is easier to go down the trail without eating snow by ski. After your second day on the board you will understand what *real* muscular strain is. Skiing is easier but boarding is more fun. My experience is that the first couple days of boarding, especially the 1st, can be very painful. The falls are unexpected and very hard. After that though, the learning curve may be faster. I have been boarding for about 3 years, and teaching skiing for 4. I got myself into the snowboard instructor clinics this year, and I must say that instruction is the most important thing you can get if you want to learn fast. My riding quality has drastically improved from learning the right way to use the board. My confidence has improved even more. Everything just work better. I certainly recommend finding a good instructor. Bob |
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