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On May 5, 7:49 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 4, 6:44 am, "Stuart" wrote: wrote: Let's see how many real skiers remain, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8o6CPClZk moguls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y Trees You gappers need not reply unless you want to expose your little knowledge. Have fun, IS You are really only getting 10% of the skis performance capacity by skiing on the flat surface of the ski(s). Because the botton edge is bevelled up and the side edge angulated in, the ski is designed to maximize its turning capabilities up on edge. The skier's centre of mass thus must transfer to the inside of the turns, maintaining a dynamic stability of inclination, angulation using centrifugal and centripedal forces, much like the riders of racing motorcycles do in their turns. Yes, flatboarding may lose some of the ski performance of turning to carving, but it makes up with a straighter line--thus remains fast-- and skiing is more stable with the flat base. And teleboarding exemplifies these traits more vividly. This particular skier's centre of mass seems very close to the ski itself, although it is one level up from the very wide base of support of the snowplow skier, from a technical standpoint, it is not advanced use of the ski in the physical performance sense. However, the skier may in fact be touting the more etheral and meditative non-aggressive aspects of his pastime due to its smoothness, lower energy expenditures and very relaxed technique. That's correct, not everyone wants to ski the "fast," "steepest," or "extreme," blah, blah, blah. The art of skiing is how to perfectly balance that centripetal force and centrifugal force and gravity so to enjoy an uninterrupted descent, interesting lines, and the ethereal body movements, etc., imo. Teleboarding is not for difficult/steep terrain in general, (though there are clips showing people do tricks and ski moguls stuff on youtube,) but on some groomed runs, slated slopes, and minor moguls/ bumps, or where a "full turn" is not needed, teleboarding, without full-blown "cross-over," may be a more efficient technique and energy saving than regular parallel skiing. What makes teleboarding techniques interesting is, as all teleing, it seeks a longitudinal stability, that's why the loose heel and low stance. IS I like it because it resembles the medium speed sideslipping and pivot drill I like to do.. Yup, though I don't pivot the skis much nowadays, but I'm a sideslipping fan too; I begin with teaching sideslipping when I teach beginners parallel skiing . Having said that, what I am working on is a very relaxed, motionless, dynamic balance in phase 111 of my higher speed steered turns. In other words, using the ski's energy instead of mine to make more aggressive turns. Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through" transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed, motionless, and dynamic balanced, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either, hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle; I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing, the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much. Maybe we are talking about the same thing. 'later, IS |
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"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 5, 7:49 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 4, 6:44 am, "Stuart" wrote: wrote: Let's see how many real skiers remain, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8o6CPClZk moguls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y Trees You gappers need not reply unless you want to expose your little knowledge. Have fun, IS You are really only getting 10% of the skis performance capacity by skiing on the flat surface of the ski(s). Because the botton edge is bevelled up and the side edge angulated in, the ski is designed to maximize its turning capabilities up on edge. The skier's centre of mass thus must transfer to the inside of the turns, maintaining a dynamic stability of inclination, angulation using centrifugal and centripedal forces, much like the riders of racing motorcycles do in their turns. Yes, flatboarding may lose some of the ski performance of turning to carving, but it makes up with a straighter line--thus remains fast-- and skiing is more stable with the flat base. And teleboarding exemplifies these traits more vividly. This particular skier's centre of mass seems very close to the ski itself, although it is one level up from the very wide base of support of the snowplow skier, from a technical standpoint, it is not advanced use of the ski in the physical performance sense. However, the skier may in fact be touting the more etheral and meditative non-aggressive aspects of his pastime due to its smoothness, lower energy expenditures and very relaxed technique. That's correct, not everyone wants to ski the "fast," "steepest," or "extreme," blah, blah, blah. The art of skiing is how to perfectly balance that centripetal force and centrifugal force and gravity so to enjoy an uninterrupted descent, interesting lines, and the ethereal body movements, etc., imo. Teleboarding is not for difficult/steep terrain in general, (though there are clips showing people do tricks and ski moguls stuff on youtube,) but on some groomed runs, slated slopes, and minor moguls/ bumps, or where a "full turn" is not needed, teleboarding, without full-blown "cross-over," may be a more efficient technique and energy saving than regular parallel skiing. What makes teleboarding techniques interesting is, as all teleing, it seeks a longitudinal stability, that's why the loose heel and low stance. IS I like it because it resembles the medium speed sideslipping and pivot drill I like to do.. Yup, though I don't pivot the skis much nowadays, but I'm a sideslipping fan too; I begin with teaching sideslipping when I teach beginners parallel skiing . Having said that, what I am working on is a very relaxed, motionless, dynamic balance in phase 111 of my higher speed steered turns. In other words, using the ski's energy instead of mine to make more aggressive turns. Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through" transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed, motionless, and dynamic balanced, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either, hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle; I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing, the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much. Maybe we are talking about the same thing. 'later, IS Phase 111 is defined as that portion of the turn from facing directly down the fall line to completion. The energy builds in phase 111, the ski gets loaded like a jet fighter in a turn. The directional unloading of the energy can assist the skier into the next turn's unweighting and change of direction. Somehow a skier needs to get the weight from one side of the centre to the other. In your skiing your centre of mass is shifting a mere inch or so, in my skiing it would shift 3-4 feet. You have to be doing some degree of pivoting in order to change direction, even if it is very subtle. You probably incorporate it into your skiing you don't really notice it, it is that smooth, perhaps just a very small "flick" of some leg or foot muscles, or even as subtle as some pressure using you feet and lower legs, or maybe even you hip joints. I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a meditation nut interested in the spiritual |
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On May 6, 7:35*am, "Stuart" wrote:
I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a meditation nut interested in the spiritual Maybe you'll be able to make some headway with toecheese then? He likes to pose as those things. |
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"pigo" wrote in message ... On May 6, 7:35 am, "Stuart" wrote: I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a meditation nut interested in the spiritual Maybe you'll be able to make some headway with toecheese then? He likes to pose as those things. One of the hallmarks of any great teacher is humility, and the willingness to always remain a student |
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Stuart wrote:
"pigo" wrote in message ... On May 6, 7:35 am, "Stuart" wrote: I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a meditation nut interested in the spiritual Maybe you'll be able to make some headway with toecheese then? He likes to pose as those things. One of the hallmarks of any great teacher is humility, and the willingness to always remain a student Like this?? " Let's see how many real skiers remain, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8o6CPClZk moguls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y Trees You gappers need not reply unless you want to expose your little knowledge. Have fun, IS " |
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On May 6, 6:35 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through" transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed, motionless, and dynamic balanced, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either, hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle; I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing, the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much. Maybe we are talking about the same thing. 'later, IS Phase 111 is defined as that portion of the turn from facing directly down the fall line to completion. The energy builds in phase 111, the ski gets loaded like a jet fighter in a turn. The directional unloading of the energy can assist the skier into the next turn's unweighting and change of direction. Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution) on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of- traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III, but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these terminologies straighten out one day. Somehow a skier needs to get the weight from one side of the centre to the other. In your skiing your centre of mass is shifting a mere inch or so, in my skiing it would shift 3-4 feet. Line-skiing changes directions by changing the "turn shape" (the curvature of the turn) and "turn shape" is always changed when weight distribution is changed, as skis are really controlled and moved by weight/pressure on them, so in line-skiing I can change directions merely by shifting the weight a few inches, or more, depending how's the turn goes. As regarding to shifting weight, or weight transfer, no exercises do a better job than Taichi, more later. You have to be doing some degree of pivoting in order to change direction, even if it is very subtle. Not really, I do distinguish "pivoting" and "steering" differently, where "pivoting" is physically rotating the skis to change the skis' direction to change the direction of traveling, and "steering" is to increase the pressure on the skis to increase centripetal force to cause the skis changing direction. So, on some tight spot with lower speeds, pivoting may save the runs, but at higher speeds, steering is better and can be done without pivoting. You probably incorporate it into your skiing you don't really notice it, it is that smooth, perhaps just a very small "flick" of some leg or foot muscles, or even as subtle as some pressure using you feet and lower legs, or maybe even you hip joints. The "Way" of Taichi, in terms of body movements, is to use Qi/pressure to move the joints to move the muscles, and straightens the joints to exert force and bends/flexes the joints to reduce the force of the exertion. As our bodies reflect the hydraulic rigidity, the pressure on the skis can be maintained and changed internally by how we straighten and/or flex our joints, especially on the spine and lower limbs. In some smooth conditions only internal pressure changes, that's why sometimes Taichi Skiing is look so subtle from the outside. I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a meditation nut interested in the spiritual As a part of my Kungfu/martial art practice, I also practice Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Kungfu Tui-Na (deep tissue massages and joint manipulations). Given that you're "a chiropractor as well as a meditation nut" background, I do seriously suggest that you give Taichi a look, though I do realize that a good, competent Taichi teacher is hard to come by. Good luck, IS |
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"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 6, 6:35 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through" transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed, motionless, and dynamic balanced, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either, hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle; I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing, the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much. Maybe we are talking about the same thing. 'later, IS Phase 111 is defined as that portion of the turn from facing directly down the fall line to completion. The energy builds in phase 111, the ski gets loaded like a jet fighter in a turn. The directional unloading of the energy can assist the skier into the next turn's unweighting and change of direction. Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution) on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of- traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III, but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these terminologies straighten out one day. "We" already have the terminologies straight and have so for many years. The fall line is an imaginary line a ball would roll down a hill. Phase 1 is the initiation of a turn. In other words, all the things a skier will do with his COM and BOS to start a turn say to the left. Phase 11 begins when edging begins and the skier starts to actually "turn". Phase 111 begins when the skiers direction of travel points directly down the fall line and ends when skier stops turning. Phase 1 is the initiation of the next turn. Somehow a skier needs to get the weight from one side of the centre to the other. In your skiing your centre of mass is shifting a mere inch or so, in my skiing it would shift 3-4 feet. Line-skiing changes directions by changing the "turn shape" (the curvature of the turn) and "turn shape" is always changed when weight distribution is changed, as skis are really controlled and moved by weight/pressure on them, so in line-skiing I can change directions merely by shifting the weight a few inches, or more, depending how's the turn goes. As regarding to shifting weight, or weight transfer, no exercises do a better job than Taichi, more later. You have to be doing some degree of pivoting in order to change direction, even if it is very subtle. Not really, I do distinguish "pivoting" and "steering" differently, where "pivoting" is physically rotating the skis to change the skis' direction to change the direction of traveling, and "steering" is to increase the pressure on the skis to increase centripetal force to cause the skis changing direction. So, on some tight spot with lower speeds, pivoting may save the runs, but at higher speeds, steering is better and can be done without pivoting. You probably incorporate it into your skiing you don't really notice it, it is that smooth, perhaps just a very small "flick" of some leg or foot muscles, or even as subtle as some pressure using you feet and lower legs, or maybe even you hip joints. The "Way" of Taichi, in terms of body movements, is to use Qi/pressure to move the joints to move the muscles, and straightens the joints to exert force and bends/flexes the joints to reduce the force of the exertion. As our bodies reflect the hydraulic rigidity, the pressure on the skis can be maintained and changed internally by how we straighten and/or flex our joints, especially on the spine and lower limbs. In some smooth conditions only internal pressure changes, that's why sometimes Taichi Skiing is look so subtle from the outside. I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a meditation nut interested in the spiritual As a part of my Kungfu/martial art practice, I also practice Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Kungfu Tui-Na (deep tissue massages and joint manipulations). Given that you're "a chiropractor as well as a meditation nut" background, I do seriously suggest that you give Taichi a look, though I do realize that a good, competent Taichi teacher is hard to come by. Good luck, IS |
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wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 6, 6:35 am, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through" transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed, motionless, and dynamic balanced, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either, hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle; I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing, the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much. Maybe we are talking about the same thing. 'later, IS Phase 111 is defined as that portion of the turn from facing directly down the fall line to completion. The energy builds in phase 111, the ski gets loaded like a jet fighter in a turn. The directional unloading of the energy can assist the skier into the next turn's unweighting and change of direction. Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution) on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of- traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III, but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these terminologies straighten out one day. "We" already have the terminologies straight and have so for many years. The fall line is an imaginary line a ball would roll down a hill. Stuart, Taichi... well, he's a netkook who revels in misusing words, changing their meaning and creating new terms for things that already have names. If you let him, he will waste a fair a mount of your time. That is certainly your prerogative, butou may want to take a quick look at his previous threads and discussions before devoting too much time to him. HTH, YMMV, offer valid at participating Red Lobsters only. |
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On May 6, 4:57 pm, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution) on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of- traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III, but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these terminologies straighten out one day. "We" already have the terminologies straight and have so for many years. The fall line is an imaginary line a ball would roll down a hill. Not sure what is this "We" stuff, CSIA?, if it is not all-inclusive, then it is a narrow and rigid idea. The definition of "fall line" is good, but how many people can actually see the "imaginary line" to understand what it is? I use a simpler idea of a downward path/line with fastest speed, usually, just a line straight down the hill. Phase 1 is the initiation of a turn. In other words, all the things a skier will do with his COM and BOS to start a turn say to the left. Phase 11 begins when edging begins and the skier starts to actually "turn". Phase 111 begins when the skiers direction of travel points directly down the fall line and ends when skier stops turning. Phase 1 is the initiation of the next turn. So, your turns have phase l, initiation; phase ll, turning into fall line; and phase lll, turning out of fall line? Yup, those are pattern of rigid "turn-skiing" alright. However, by shifting weight (angulation) onto the left ski to turn left, and right to turn right, "line-skiing" combines phase I & II into one phase, and the turn is completed when the weight/control on the opposite foot, which is ready for the next turn, so line-skiing, skis on the fastest line for a given direction, has only two phases: "turn" and "finished turn". And beginning turning by facing down the fall line/fastest line first eliminates the most difficult part of turning, your phase ll, turning into the fall line, which is all but acceleration, and turning out of fall line/fastest line is always deceleration, so it is easier. IS |
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"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 6, 4:57 pm, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution) on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of- traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III, but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these terminologies straighten out one day. "We" already have the terminologies straight and have so for many years. The fall line is an imaginary line a ball would roll down a hill. Not sure what is this "We" stuff, CSIA?, if it is not all-inclusive, then it is a narrow and rigid idea. The definition of "fall line" is good, but how many people can actually see the "imaginary line" to understand what it is? I use a simpler idea of a downward path/line with fastest speed, usually, just a line straight down the hill. Phase 1 is the initiation of a turn. In other words, all the things a skier will do with his COM and BOS to start a turn say to the left. Phase 11 begins when edging begins and the skier starts to actually "turn". Phase 111 begins when the skiers direction of travel points directly down the fall line and ends when skier stops turning. Phase 1 is the initiation of the next turn. So, your turns have phase l, initiation; phase ll, turning into fall line; and phase lll, turning out of fall line? Yup, those are pattern of rigid "turn-skiing" alright. However, by shifting weight (angulation) onto the left ski to turn left, and right to turn right, "line-skiing" combines phase I & II into one phase, and the turn is completed when the weight/control on the opposite foot, which is ready for the next turn, so line-skiing, skis on the fastest line for a given direction, has only two phases: "turn" and "finished turn". And beginning turning by facing down the fall line/fastest line first eliminates the most difficult part of turning, your phase ll, turning into the fall line, which is all but acceleration, and turning out of fall line/fastest line is always deceleration, so it is easier. IS The 3 turn phases are designed as a model around which all types of skiing can be analysed and taught. You cannot disobey the laws of physics. Something has to deflect the centre of a skiers mass in order to cause it to change direction. Sure, you can roll two phases into one...mogul skiing merely has a very stretched phase 11 and abbreviated phases 1and 111. You remember your ski is narrower in the middle, just as a basic of the old straight skis. The newer skis are also bevelled up and in on the edges. Your skiing is highly reminiscent of turning an aircraft using the rudder alone. Of course, it can be done and it's fun to fly that way..ie "flat" We don't fly that way generally, we also use the ailerons to induce "bank" so that turns will be executed without slip, or as in your turns, skid. Slip and skid bleed energy out of the turn and can be used in ski energy management instead of using edging to manage energy, but in flying that way, you would be wasting fuel for one thing and also putting the airplane close to departure stalling, in other words if you hit a nice patch of ice on a flat ski, you fall. If you are on edge you have, well, an edge to grip. Don't get me wrong I love your technique.. I am trying to show you the differences with more standard "steering" forms of skiing, which include using the skis up on their edges. |
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