NEW POLL: Is Scott is an aware, decent, ethical human being?

Jeff wrote:

I agree with this sentiment. With the exception of Santorum, I'll vote
for Republicans on the state and local level, but the national
Republican Party is beholden to nutters.

The Democratic party isn't much better. Is Gore and Kerry the best they
can put up? They have got to do better.

(After Presidents Reagan and Bush II, it is
impossible for me to construct the phrase "fiscally conservative"
without laughing.)

Look at the new budget proposal. Then look at the Dems that are crying
foul to all the budget cuts. Both sides have been horrible for decades.

snoig wrote:


And yes, GW did win but that doesn't mean there is not a problem. I would
think the republicans would want to fix problems since they are in the
majority.

Both sides want to fix the problem. Its not just one sided. Not even
close. It's not just Ohio or Florida either. These problems exist
nationwide and effect both Rep and Dem and everyone else all the same.

Scott Abraham wrote:


Actually, I most certainly do confront liars and assholes and call them
exactly what they are in the real world. With witnesses.
Doesn't happen very often.
Because NO ONE has ever had the balls to talk to me in person the way you
freaks do on the net.
I wonder why?

Why do you think? Possibly because they have no desire to talk to
someone of your foulness in person? Or are you attempting to show your
schoolyard charm to boost your own ego?

ant wrote:


I hear the UN is sending Observers to the next US federal election...

They already were in the US for the last election. The UN is
ineffective in just about everything they do.

miles wrote:

Jeff wrote:

I agree with this sentiment. With the exception of Santorum, I'll vote
for Republicans on the state and local level, but the national
Republican Party is beholden to nutters.

The Democratic party isn't much better. Is Gore and Kerry the best they
can put up?

Apparently. Why else would they put up jerks who they KNOW must be
losers? Having that level of out-of-touchedness is in itself an
indication of ineptitude.

They have got to do better.

The odds are against it happening, but the Repubs aren't much better.

(After Presidents Reagan and Bush II, it is
impossible for me to construct the phrase "fiscally conservative"
without laughing.)

Look at the new budget proposal. Then look at the Dems that are crying
foul to all the budget cuts. Both sides have been horrible for decades.

That's what happens when you get to spend other people's money.

--
Cheers,
Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government."
-- letter from Thomas Jefferson to Baron vonHumboldt, 1813

"miles" wrote in message
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snoig wrote:


And yes, GW did win but that doesn't mean there is not a problem. I
would
think the republicans would want to fix problems since they are in the
majority.

Both sides want to fix the problem. Its not just one sided. Not even
close. It's not just Ohio or Florida either. These problems exist
nationwide and effect both Rep and Dem and everyone else all the same.

I don't know about that. I really don't like either party. I just can't
figure out why people like Bush and Kerry are choosen to run when there are
much better choices in both parties. However, it seems to me that whenever
I hear a democrat bring up the fix the voting process issue, all I hear
from republicians is the 'sore loser' response. As far as republicians
bringing up the question, maybe it's me but I just haven't ever seen that
happen yet and I do watch a lot of cable news (including Fox).

Being a computer geek for many years, I can tell you that there are major
problems with electronic voting. I've been following the issue for quite
some time now and it's appalling what some of these touchscreen companies
are trying to get away with. Why is there such resistance to having
printouts for verification and recount purposes?

snoig

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"ant" wrote in news:37dhigF5b15jjU1
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Who was the idiot who voted "yes"? I bet he was a republican.

Probably Scott voting for himself.

Didn't even look. I don't think you're funny: just another cowardly
pathological liar. RSA at its finest.

In that case you won't be worried about the fact that the site allows the
poll creator to view a log of who visited and voted!

ant

snoig wrote:

However, it seems to me that whenever
I hear a democrat bring up the fix the voting process issue, all I hear
from republicians is the 'sore loser' response.

Because when the Dems talk about fixing the problems they continually
point to Ohio and Florida and in those two states only discuss issues
where Dems were negatively effected. That bias is a sore loser
response. The Dems can't admit defeat. They want to put blame
somewhere other than their own party.

As far as republicians
bringing up the question, maybe it's me but I just haven't ever seen that
happen yet and I do watch a lot of cable news (including Fox).

Its on the news but much of the media ignores what it choses. When the
hoopala was in Florida it was well known that there were far more
rejected ballots in Arizona than in FL. Yet the media paid no
attention. Why? Because Gore didn't pay attention to the AZ problem
either. In this past election Dems yelled about long lines at Dem
dominated polling areas with accusations of Rep manipulation. Did they
say anything about the long Rep lines elsewhere? Hell no. Here in AZ
there were lines of up to 6 hours at Rep dominated regions. It was
mentioned but the difference is that the Reps here didn't go blaming the
Dems for attempted manipulation.

Being a computer geek for many years, I can tell you that there are major
problems with electronic voting. I've been following the issue for quite
some time now and it's appalling what some of these touchscreen companies
are trying to get away with. Why is there such resistance to having
printouts for verification and recount purposes?

There was nothing wrong with the current butterfly ballots either. But
so many, especially Dems made a huge fuss about them that a push for the
electronic machines was made. The problem is with the voters. Any
method has a margin of error. When the vote spread is lower than the
margin you can bet a mess will occur. I agree, I have no idea why these
new machines sometimes lack hard copy records. Makes no sense.

In article , had
this to say about that...

"miles" wrote in message
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Scott Abraham wrote:


Actually, I most certainly do confront liars and assholes and call them
exactly what they are in the real world. With witnesses.
Doesn't happen very often.
Because NO ONE has ever had the balls to talk to me in person the way
you freaks do on the net.
I wonder why?

Why do you think? Possibly because they have no desire to talk to someone
of your foulness in person?

Possibly because you are a gutless coward who doesn't have the balls to spew
your **** in person?

Or are you attempting to show your schoolyard charm to boost your own ego?

Clue time, freaks. People with diseased egos slander their betters on
usenet.

Wow sP0ck! you've been slathering and slandering with great
enthusiasm, has your ego felt a little leprous lately?

"miles" wrote in message
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snoig wrote:

However, it seems to me that whenever
I hear a democrat bring up the fix the voting process issue, all I hear
from republicians is the 'sore loser' response.

Because when the Dems talk about fixing the problems they continually
point to Ohio and Florida and in those two states only discuss issues
where Dems were negatively effected. That bias is a sore loser
response. The Dems can't admit defeat. They want to put blame
somewhere other than their own party.

I don't know, I've seen some shows where Dems were talking about voting and
specificly saying it's not just Ohio and Florida and they still got the sore
loser response. I think it just a small percentage of Dems that can't admit
defeat just like it's a small percentage or Reps that pull out the sore
loser response. It's just that's what the media likes to focus on so that's
what you see on cable news. Besides, if it were the other way 'round you
would still see the same thing happening.

As far as republicians
bringing up the question, maybe it's me but I just haven't ever seen
that
happen yet and I do watch a lot of cable news (including Fox).

Its on the news but much of the media ignores what it choses. When the
hoopala was in Florida it was well known that there were far more
rejected ballots in Arizona than in FL. Yet the media paid no
attention. Why? Because Gore didn't pay attention to the AZ problem
either. In this past election Dems yelled about long lines at Dem
dominated polling areas with accusations of Rep manipulation. Did they
say anything about the long Rep lines elsewhere? Hell no. Here in AZ
there were lines of up to 6 hours at Rep dominated regions. It was
mentioned but the difference is that the Reps here didn't go blaming the
Dems for attempted manipulation.

Or, could it be AZ - 10 votes, FL - 27 votes. Plus, AZ was a red state. If
they lost, I'm sure you would see them blaming the Dems.

Being a computer geek for many years, I can tell you that there are
major
problems with electronic voting. I've been following the issue for
quite
some time now and it's appalling what some of these touchscreen
companies
are trying to get away with. Why is there such resistance to having
printouts for verification and recount purposes?

There was nothing wrong with the current butterfly ballots either. But
so many, especially Dems made a huge fuss about them that a push for the
electronic machines was made. The problem is with the voters. Any
method has a margin of error. When the vote spread is lower than the
margin you can bet a mess will occur. I agree, I have no idea why these
new machines sometimes lack hard copy records. Makes no sense.

Well, we're pretty much in agreement here. The real issue is making the
voting process have as small a MOE as possible. I think the public is
pretty much in agreement here, we just need to convince the lawmakers.
Remember, the only difference between the two parties is the Dems like to
tax and spend while the Reps like to borrow and spend.

snoig