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"ttalb" wrote in message news:gUVId.24549 My big worry is with a zero growth in numbers of participants and the amount of $$ being plowed into resorts (I know most of it is real estate based now). Will the non "destination" resorts be able to make it into the next ten years? My understanding about one of out local areas, Stevens Pass, is that the owners pump money out of it into their other areas where they can do real estate development. Supposedly, it has a record of "profitable years" just because they can't spend all the money it makes there. Bob |
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"ttalb" wrote in message news:gUVId.24549$OF5.23449@attbi_s52... Unluckily the "trend" is that in the last ten years the industry has lost 40% of skiers (10.5 M vs 6.8M today) and boarding has increased 350% (1.8M What a crock. yes some of the stats have gone from skiiiers to boarders. you need to take into consideration that these bogus stats come from population growth. how many broke ass wetbacks, and other imagrants contribute to the middle class and above resorts ? NONE. Yet they contribute to the #'s the boarder supporters like to throw out. there are more resorts then there used to be, and just as many new people sliding. of course the growing # of skiiers isn't going to be as high with boarders taking up 50%. I've been around the snow industry for three generations, and I can't see any decline in the next generation of sliders. with or without the boarders the slopes aren't in any danger of closing down. |
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"David Harris" wrote in message I suppose I could dump my friends, or get Dave don't you live in the north wet ? I'm dying to get out of WA. and find some snow. I've got a season pass for Crystal that's good for several places with snow. |
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"pigo" wrote in message newsqydncGzCpQmtGncRVn- If I had better balance and learned faster I would try it. I love to see good boarders on a high speed carve on the groomed, or ripping up good lines in trees, powder, pillows. Reminds me of windsurfing, another sport that took a good decade to learn, but is great. Good line? I've never seen any snowboarder do anything besides go across the hill. If by good line you mean straight down, I could train a stump to do that. You've obviously been hiding from the dreaded boarders for the last 10 years. This makes it very clear you don't know anything about snowboarders and what they do or can do. Bob |
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"pigo" wrote in message Good line? I've never seen any snowboarder do anything besides go across the hill. If by good line you mean straight down, I could train a stump to do that. Pigo I'm alot like you on the boarder mentality. BUT there are some really good boarders out there. Not trying to debate but I've gotten to know a couple of the board instructors at Crystal, all used to be skiiers, all of them can keep up on any type of hill. and all teach carving, not scraping, not trasversing. I still say ****em. and they just laugh. |
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"LePheaux" wrote in message ... "pigo" wrote in message Good line? I've never seen any snowboarder do anything besides go across the hill. If by good line you mean straight down, I could train a stump to do that. Pigo I'm alot like you on the boarder mentality. BUT there are some really good boarders out there. (snipped) A ''good line" is something like you'd see in a powder 8 contest (or maybe 1/2 of that). I've never seen a board do that. Even in their so called slalom and GS races the courses are adapted to their limitations. Let's remember that this is a skiing group so terms will be interpreted in that context. Not the lowest common denominator of the snowboard. Not to say that you friends aren't "good" boarders. But a good prison inmate is still a prison inmate. pigo |
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"Bob" wrote in
: "pigo" wrote in message newsqydncGzCpQmtGncRVn- If I had better balance and learned faster I would try it. I love to see good boarders on a high speed carve on the groomed, or ripping up good lines in trees, powder, pillows. Reminds me of windsurfing, another sport that took a good decade to learn, but is great. Good line? I've never seen any snowboarder do anything besides go across the hill. If by good line you mean straight down, I could train a stump to do that. You've obviously been hiding from the dreaded boarders for the last 10 years. This makes it very clear you don't know anything about snowboarders and what they do or can do. Bob Dead right. I may have shouted at some boarders at Kicking Horse last year who were scraping right at the top of the Stairway to Heaven lift, but overall I have no problem with them. In Fernie, a couple of years back, it was boarders who were cutting the tightest lines thru the trees. I think it's because they can kill their speed by digging in the back foot which allows a tighter pivot when things get tricky. Anyway, I know I had trouble picking my way through the same woods. I also see a fair number of greyhairs boarding, and a good number of really good carvers (not that carving is the holy grail to me). I don't see them carving perfect powder 8 lines, but that's not really in their quiver - I don't see that as a holy grail either. For me, if you can get down virtually any line, and do it with some grace and a BIG SMILE, then you've discovered a key to the art of sliding down the snow. And I'd be happy to share it with you. If you've got some whacky chip on your shoulder, about boarding, short skis, long skis, shaped skis, rear-entry boots, 5-buckle boots, wool, fleece, helmets, mitts, unacceptable colours for jackets, long hair, short hair, mohawks, piercings, lipstick, anchovies, or micro-brews, then maybe we'd not see eye to eye. No big deal. dh |
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"David Harris" wrote in message ... "Bob" wrote in : "pigo" wrote in message newsqydncGzCpQmtGncRVn- If I had better balance and learned faster I would try it. I love to see good boarders on a high speed carve on the groomed, or ripping up good lines in trees, powder, pillows. Reminds me of windsurfing, another sport that took a good decade to learn, but is great. Good line? I've never seen any snowboarder do anything besides go across the hill. If by good line you mean straight down, I could train a stump to do that. You've obviously been hiding from the dreaded boarders for the last 10 years. This makes it very clear you don't know anything about snowboarders and what they do or can do. Bob Dead right. I may have shouted at some boarders at Kicking Horse last year who were scraping right at the top of the Stairway to Heaven lift, but overall I have no problem with them. In Fernie, a couple of years back, it was boarders who were cutting the tightest lines thru the trees. I think it's because they can kill their speed by digging in the back foot which allows a tighter pivot when things get tricky. Anyway, I know I had trouble picking my way through the same woods. I also see a fair number of greyhairs boarding, and a good number of really good carvers (not that carving is the holy grail to me). I don't see them carving perfect powder 8 lines, but that's not really in their quiver - I don't see that as a holy grail either. For me, if you can get down virtually any line, and do it with some grace and a BIG SMILE, then you've discovered a key to the art of sliding down the snow. And I'd be happy to share it with you. If you've got some whacky chip on your shoulder, about boarding, short skis, long skis, shaped skis, rear-entry boots, 5-buckle boots, wool, fleece, helmets, mitts, unacceptable colours for jackets, long hair, short hair, mohawks, piercings, lipstick, anchovies, or micro-brews, then maybe we'd not see eye to eye. No big deal. The point is that no matter how a boarder gets down the ungroomed snow, it's ****ed up for any skier to follow compared to what another skier would have left. End of story. You can argue only that it doesn't bother you. It bothers me. If that's a chip, so be it. You drink micros AND wear a helmet, don't you? Are you guilty about slavery too? |
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